Will History Repeat itself? Another Civil War? Revolution?

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Originally Posted by ovcatto

Feel free to present any law that refutes what I've repeatedly posted. I may have made an error. Better yet, go write a polite letter to your congressional "representatives" and ask THEM.

Ask for the law or constitutional clause that :

1. Compels all Americans to enroll into FICA / Social Security
2. Punishes any American who does not enroll, nor participate
3. Defines a dollar as anything but a silver or gold coin
4. Delegates the power to create money to the Congress ("coin money" means stamp bullion - if Congress had the power to create money, why would it need the power to borrow it?)
5. Denies the sovereignty of the American people
6. Abolishes private property (absolutely owned by an individual)

When you get your reply (or no reply), you can figure out the rest for yourself.

I may be in error, and do not claim infallibility, but according to the laws in the public record, American nationals, free inhabitants, domiciled upon private property within the boundaries of the United States of America are endowed with the inalienable rights to life, liberty, property ownership, etc, and exercise natural and personal liberty. The governments instituted in these united States solemnly promised to help secure these rights.

On the other hand, U.S. citizens / residents, residing at residences, upon real estate, are granted civil and political rights (i.e., liberties) commensurate with their status as subjects of the servant government. They are obligated to perform civic duties (militia duty, military service, jury duty, etc.) and have waived their inalienable rights by consent. And if enrolled into FICA / Social Security, they are "human resources" pledged as sureties on the public debt, and must accept worthless notes in lieu of lawful money (as defined by the USCON), and have surrendered their birthright and endowment that their forefathers fought and died for.

America has the world's greatest propaganda ministry, bar none.
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Reference in support:
U.S. Treasury - FAQs: Legal Tender Status of currency
"Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."

Everything in the economy you thought was yours, is claimed as collateral on the public debt... by your consent, saith the law on the books. Congress can tax away EVERYTHING to redeem those pesky notes that they authorize by going deeper into debt. [See Title 12 USC Sec. 411]

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FYI - Delve means to "dig or search deeply".

[jimhcom]

Originally Posted by Bideshi

I thought the War of 1812 was over the impressment of American seamen into the British Navy during their war with Napoleon.

After an aborted attempt to establish a central bank in the 1780s, the First Bank of the United States was established in 1791. Alexander Hamilton (who had close ties to the Rothschild banking family) cut a deal under which he would support the move of the nation's capital to Washington D.C. in exchange for southern support for the establishment of a central bank.
George Washington signed the bill creating the First Bank of the United States on April 25, 1791. It was given a 20 year charter.
In the first five years of the First Bank of the United States, the U.S. government borrowed 8.2 million dollars and prices rose by 72 percent.
The opponents of central banking were not pleased. In 1798, Thomas Jefferson said the following....
"I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our Constitution - taking from the federal government their power of borrowing."
In 1811, the charter of the First Bank of the United States was not renewed.
One year later, the War of 1812 erupted. The British and the Americans were at war once again.
In 1814, the British captured and burned Washington D.C., but the Americans subsequently experienced key victories at New York and at New Orleans.
The Treaty of Ghent, officially ending the war, was ratified by the U.S. Senate on February 16th, 1815 and was ratified by the British on February 18th, 1815.
In 1816, another central bank was created. The Second Bank of the United States was established and was given a 20 year charter.

Andrew Jackson, who became president in 1828, was determined to end the power of the central bankers over the United States.
In fact, in 1832, Andrew Jackson's re-election slogan was "JACKSON and NO BANK!"
On July 10th, 1832 President Jackson said the following about the danger of a central bank....
"It is not our own citizens only who are to receive the bounty of our government. More than eight millions of the stock of this bank are held by foreigners... is there no danger to our liberty and independence in a bank that in its nature has so little to bind it to our country? ... Controlling our currency, receiving our public moneys, and holding thousands of our citizens in dependence... would be more formidable and dangerous than a military power of the enemy."
In 1835, President Jackson completely paid off the U.S. national debt. He is the only U.S. president that has ever been able to accomplish this.
President Jackson vetoed the attempt to renew the charter of the Second Bank of the United States in 1836.
Richard Lawrence attempted to shoot Andrew Jackson, but he survived. It is alleged that Lawrence said that "wealthy people in Europe" had put him up to it.

[ovcatto]

Yes, yes all evil in the world originates with the Federal Reserve or the Rothchilds, take your pick.

[jimhcom]

Originally Posted by ovcatto

Yes, yes all evil in the world originates with the Federal Reserve or the Rothchilds, take your pick.

First sensible thing I have heard you say, except you forgot the Morgan's, and the Rockefeller's.

[Roaddog]

Originally Posted by NomadRefugee

Most American's character is too lazy and self-indulgent to engage in revolutionary activity.

The revolutionary character that the US was founded upon is a thing of a bygone era.

We are in a time of epic government corruption and our liberties are being stripped of us. But most Americans don't care because they are doing alright. They are too into creature comforts to engage in any kind of righteous battle.

It's not going to happen until poverty reaches even higher levels.

If the people did try an overthrow. I would bet that the U.S. Government would fight back ruthlessly and kill of a lot of folks.

I feel the same

[Bideshi]

I declare all of you right wing terrorists and have put you on the watch list.

[jetgraphics]

Originally Posted by NomadRefugee

1. Most American's character is too lazy and self-indulgent to engage in revolutionary activity.
2. The revolutionary character that the US was founded upon is a thing of a bygone era.
3. We are in a time of epic government corruption and our liberties are being stripped of us. But most Americans don't care because they are doing alright. They are too into creature comforts to engage in any kind of righteous battle.
4. It's not going to happen until poverty reaches even higher levels.
5. If the people did try an overthrow. I would bet that the U.S. Government would fight back ruthlessly and kill of a lot of folks.

1. Agreed. But it is human nature to be lazy and self-indulgent.
2. What "revolutionary" character? Active or merely supporting? Less than half the population supported the revolutionaries in 1776. (1/3 didn't take any stand)
3. Technically, all the corruption is by consent of the victims, ahem, the people. And by law and the public record, the people have no grounds for claiming righteousness.
4. Being at a minus 13 trillion dollars is pretty bad. Especially since there's only 2.9 billion in the kitty (Ft. Knox).
5. Consenting slaves cannot overthrow their masters without first withdrawing their consent. As long as the slaves do not know how and when they gave consent, they will not prevail. (Oh, those clever word twisting lawyers!)


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THE AMERICAN WAR OF INDEPENDENCE
Colonists were divided over which side to support in the war; in some areas, the struggle was a civil war. The Revolutionaries (also known as Americans or Patriots) had the active support of about 40 to 45 percent of the colonial population. About 15 to 20 percent of the population supported the British Crown during the war, and were known as Loyalists (or Tories). Loyalists fielded perhaps 50,000 men during the war years in support of the British Empire. After the war, some 70,000 Loyalists departed the United States, most going to Canada, Great Britain, or to British colonies in the Caribbean.