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View Poll Results: Should gay TSA agents be allowed to give same-gender pat-downs?
Yes, they should be allowed 49 45.79%
No, they should not 55 51.40%
Not sure 3 2.80%
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Old 11-20-2010, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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I don't agree with the airport situation, at all. It's an over-reaction, like the war, that is costing Americans personal freedom and impeding the economy by obstructing the flow of travel.

The terrorists didn't target planes, they used them. They can also use a number of other venues, if decided. Will we accept a military state environment, next?

A better solution is to address the problems that are leading to the terrorist acts, and that isn't our means of travel.
I have a method of dealing with those people resorting to terrorist actions.

Go after them, so that the loss of 1 life costs them 100 lives. Soon they will realize, when they start losing whole families that it won't be tolerated and stop. They go after weaklings, and we need to stop being weak.

Just remember, Gun control is never having to say, "I missed you".

There, now the gun nuts, the anti gun nuts, and peaceniks and the violence prone can now have at it!
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Old 11-20-2010, 11:55 AM
 
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All of you people up in arms about this, just do a little imagination exercise for me:

Imagine all of the commotion causes the TSA to stop, no more groping, no more body scans.

Now imagine someone gets on the plane and another 9/11 happens.

What would you say?

A) security should be tighter shame on you for backing down, if you had stuck to your original plan this wouldn't have happened

B) Its a shame those people died, but better they died than someone see my fat a$$ on the body scanner

C) thank God it wasn't me

On another note, I think a lot of the people who are up in arms about this also don't want to fund high speed rail. Thats something I don't get. If we can get that going, you have a great alternative. I hate flying in general, airports are a miserable experience and I hate being sardine canned into the plane. Why not create an alternative for getting cross country??
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Old 11-20-2010, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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All of you people up in arms about this, just do a little imagination exercise for me:

Imagine all of the commotion causes the TSA to stop, no more groping, no more body scans.

Now imagine someone gets on the plane and another 9/11 happens.

What would you say?

A) security should be tighter shame on you for backing down, if you had stuck to your original plan this wouldn't have happened

B) Its a shame those people died, but better they died than someone see my fat a$$ on the body scanner

C) thank God it wasn't me

On another note, I think a lot of the people who are up in arms about this also don't want to fund high speed rail. Thats something I don't get. If we can get that going, you have a great alternative. I hate flying in general, airports are a miserable experience and I hate being sardine canned into the plane. Why not create an alternative for getting cross country??
Were you worried about this BEFORE the groping and naked scanners got put in place ? The underwear bomber was a year ago. Did you stop flying because of the underwear bomber and now feel safe because some untrained rent-a-cops are groping for bombs in your crotch ?

We're no safer today then we were last month before the TSA got all touch-feely with passengers.
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:28 PM
 
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Wink TSA: Pilots exempted - you, not so much

"Pilots are trusted partners who ensure the safety of millions of passengers flying every day," said John Pistole, head of the TSA. "Allowing these uniformed pilots ... to go through expedited screening at the checkpoint just makes for smart security and an efficient use of our resources." [1]



Although welcoming this change to a nonsensical procedure, one might note that this was not Mr. Pistole's position even a few days ago. If the further news that the TSA has now decided to allow passengers to choose metal detectors as their first option, to even have that choice, then this welcome as well, and again not what they were adamantly saying days ago.

In other words, the TSA and their masters are bending to pressure. Which they would NOT have if it wasn't there.

While the move with the pilots was surely warranted, it also divides this cohesive and strong voice from that of the broader public. Last I heard, the stewardesses were still asking for the same right as pilots.

So all this is good and bad news. Good that the TSA can be shown at last flexible, also in gaining back some of our rights. Bad in this, by design surely, defuses some of the angst and will of the public to regain all their proper rights. If Thanksgiving a time for friends and family, which few would wish to see inconvenienced, also the perfect time to make such a statement against new TSA policies. All the more as THEY chose this period to institute them.

If we value our rights we should be all the more vigilant in going forward, remembering also that this matter is far from settled . . . or our Constitutional rights properly respected.

1) 'Pilots get exemption on X-rays, pat-downs,' The Seattle Times
Travel | Pilots get exemption on X-rays, pat-downs | Seattle Times Newspaper
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:34 PM
 
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Pilots absent gruntle is a dangerous situation.
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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Why not just use dogs? I hear that is what Isreal does. Let dogs sniff us. I'd rather have that than the grubby paws of TSA agents all over me or having to get nuked by a body scanner (which can't even detect liquids or skin color items taped to your body-- all they can do is detect guns and knives). Dogs would be a lot less expensive than the rediculous body scanners that the taxpayers end up paying for.
Thats what the FDA does. They have the beagle brigade. Beagles would be perfect dogs to work in airport situations since they are non-agressive and can distinguish tiny differences in scent. And they are cute and playful and people do not feel threatened by them.

The FDA brings the dogs into the area with baggage and they are let loose to sniff. If they find something they bark and sit. If there is something to find then the luggage is opened and checked. Yes, you can get a false positive because they dogs have such acute perception of smells it could be a trace abount. But this could be good if your looking for bombs or chemicals. Each dog is trained for one scent alone. Kids can even pet the dogs since they are friendly as they are intended to be in crowd situations.

I have one beagle and one, ugh, mystery puppy. Lots of sniffing. Having a dog take a sniff is not going to bother me. Having a TSA agent threaten to manhandle me is going to make me scream bloody murder. And guess what? If I have something the DOG will find it. And they work for nice premium dog food and chewtoys.
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Sequim, WA
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Okay...so I called a friend of our family who is a TSA screener and asked his opinion about all this hysteria. He dislikes the pat downs as much as people dislike being on the receiving end of them. But, he does it because it's his job, and not many people can afford to walk away from a job in this economy. And these are not trained rent-a-cops. They are well-trained workers, at least that's been my impression when flying in and out of Albuquerque.

But...the TSA screener we know would much rather get rid of the pat downs and give passengers a choice between going through the scanner...or being interviewed.

So...if you are one of the folks up in arms over this issue, keep in mind the screeners are doing what they are paid to do. If you want the procedure changed, this need to come down through Napolitano and Pistole. If you have a senator or congressman/congresswoman who actually "works" these days, hit them with your rants and raves and ideas for change. In other words...quit whining and DO something constructive.
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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I choose not to fly.
If these procedures are eventually implemented on other forms of public transportation such as trains, buses, cabs, etc. I will not use them.

To those of you who willingly submit without question & believe that this is the next logical step in preventing terrorism I have a question.
Do you always believe what the government says is good for you?

These procedures go against everything that I have been taught & I will go to jail before I "submit" to being groped in public.
Be very careful when the government tells you something is for your own good.
100 reps if I could.

When does the terrorism your afraid of become that of those who claim they are protecting you from the terrorists?

The TSA is not going to draw a line. Homeland Security isn't either. Congress and politicans and the mainstream media will never take action. People must vote with their feet and draw the line. If it isn't you and a lot of others who will not submit will live in a little world near home.

We get what we give. Nobody should ever forget that.
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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WFT....but you know..I'm not surprised in the least.


No no..he gets escorted AROUND it and goes on his merry way.

No Security Pat-Downs for Boehner - NYTimes.com

"But there was no waiting in line for Mr. Boehner, who was escorted around the metal detectors and body scanners, and taken directly to the gate."
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Cali
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We have a globalist in the WH backed by Soros and the Trilateral Commission.

I think I would have preferred Bush and the Bilderbergss

The devil you know is better than the devil you don't.
Soros is an evil man and has connections to these naked scanners.
Soros is definately the devil himself!:-(
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