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Old 11-19-2010, 10:48 PM
 
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What did Thomas Jefferson have to say?

“Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people.”

“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government...”

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical."

A true patriot......

Last edited by plwhit; 11-19-2010 at 11:05 PM.. Reason: misspelling
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Old 11-19-2010, 10:49 PM
 
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The claim to Free Speech as 'absolute', is widespread, misguided...and potentially deleterious to one's liberty.

Because we have the ability and the freedom---does not mean we also have the 'right'.

We undoubtedly enjoy a high standard of freedom in this Country---but it is demonstrably regulated. Those who slavishly worship at the shrine of individual liberty are often irresponsible, shortsighted, and hypocritical.

The mere claim to a "right" carries no guarantee that one will be protected / absolved of social, professional, and often legal, consequences. Without question, responsibility, if not good sense; is inherently expected of the beneficiaries of such rights.

Try issuing a threat on the life of the President, generate libelous tracts on a former spouse, spew invective at the meter-maid, sky-write obscenites above your city, tell the courtroom judge how you 'really' feel about his imposed sentence, deliver your protestation within the buffer zone of Planned Parenthood, curse the officer issuing your traffic citation, slander your boss, pay for and erect a profane (or simply controversial) Billboard, issue threats to your neighbor's delinquent brood, deliver a political screed in your military uniform; or use your right to free speech to incite a riot, entice a minor into your car; or the ubiquitous example: Try yelling "Movie!" in a crowded Firehouse! (okay....maybe not that one)

Our 'Rights' have been earned with blood, and sacrifice, and lives. We maintain "rights" with due respect, restraint, responsibility and recognition of their fragile nature and profound importance----far beyond the self indulgent, petulant insistence of those who demand society make way for their propensity to act as a bull in a china shop. Many understand how we dishonor the sacrifices and reveal ourselves unworthy, with such juvenile exhibitionism and ludicrous claims to "absolute rights".

Quite possibly, because of the irresponsible; many may come to understand too late---few things are absolute, inalienable, or guaranteed.
Just curious. What would constitute a "controversial" billboard? This?

New Billboards Tout Rainbow Trees for ‘Gayer’ Christmas | The Blaze
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Old 11-19-2010, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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Does it make an American a "terrorist" because they want to overthrow the U.S. government?

I don't think so. And I think this is very, very fascist thinking to say that someone who stands up against the crooked government is a terrorist.

Knock, knock..... Who's there?....... Fascism!
Wow..compelling.
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Old 11-19-2010, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Does it make an American a "terrorist" because they want to overthrow the U.S. government?

I don't think so. And I think this is very, very fascist thinking to say that someone who stands up against the crooked government is a terrorist.

Knock, knock..... Who's there?....... Fascism!
Grab your gun and go for it. Write and tell us how it worked out
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Old 11-19-2010, 11:54 PM
 
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I'm just throwing the idea out there. Hopefully more and more Americans will realize that a government overthrow is the best thing for us until finally one day people put down the remote control and the potato chips, get off ther fat azzes and do something about it.

Elections are rigged, corruption runs through our government, bankers and billionares have taken over, our Democracy is finished.
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Old 11-19-2010, 11:55 PM
 
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What did Thomas Jefferson have to say?

“Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people.â€

“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government...â€

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical."

A true patriot......
Exactly.
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Oh NO, Henny Penny, the sky is falling. The sky is falling!!!
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I'm just throwing the idea out there. Hopefully more and more Americans will realize that a government overthrow is the best thing for us until finally one day people put down the remote control and the potato chips, get off ther fat azzes and do something about it.

Elections are rigged, corruption runs through our government, bankers and billionares have taken over, our Democracy is finished.
You're falling into their trap - - -
Please realize that you are a victim of the world's greatest propaganda ministry.
Everything government is doing "to" you, is by your consent.
EVERYTHING.
You do not know how and when you gave that consent, and that's their best kept secret - in plain sight. It's found in any county courthouse law library - in the public record.

Also, please read the USCON, Article 4, Section 4. It promises a REPUBLICAN FORM of government, not a democratic form, nor a democratic socialist form.

And, no, a republican form is NOT a "Constitutionally limited democracy".

I, too, was a victim of the propaganda ministry. Despite college work, and post graduate studies, I had no clue as to the true nature of the law.

You will have to read it yourself, for you will not believe me if I tell you.

The United States of America was not a democracy, nor a representative democracy. It is the only nation with a republican form (not to be confused with a republic).

And I doubt that one in 100,000 Americans can define what a republican form is, thanks to the efforts of our indoctrination ministry. I know I couldn't, despite studying what I thought was "American History".

Go read the law.
Please.
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:47 AM
 
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To be fair and balanced, I should probably point out that in the event that Americans do read the law, figure out they've been tricked, and withdraw consent, that the consequences would be tantamount to a "change in government".

Possible scenario:
  • One day in 2012, after months of political partisan bickering over the rising debt service, falling revenues, and collapsing economy, it is learned that 7% of Americans have 'opted out' of SocSec, on religious grounds.
  • It is reported in the mainstream media that it appears to be a "politically incorrect" segment, with heavy undertones of official disapproval. "They won't get their entitlements, if they leave!"
  • Following week, that number jumps to 15%.
  • More denouncements and implied slurs hurled at those who 'opt out'.
  • Following week, it's now at 35%.
  • Murmurs of "UnAmerican Selfish Scoundrels" emanate from various "official sources".
  • Tax revenues drop 85%... (who would have thought 35% were paying so much!?)
  • Following week, 48% have opted out.
  • Bond market collapses. No one will touch T-bills. OPEC officially drops the U.S. dollar bill, and no longer prices petroleum with it.
  • Following week, 55% have opted out.
  • Federal paychecks have stopped.
  • Social Security payments have stopped.
  • Debt service has stopped.

Following week, 65% have opted out.

Congress resigns, en masse. A flurry of clandestine private flights out of DC are noted, as many emigrate to nations that do not extradite.
The president and his family are not to be found at the White House. No one knows of his whereabouts.
Military checkpoints have been set up, to quell civil unrest.
Smoke on the horizon.
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:54 AM
 
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You're falling into their trap - - -
Please realize that you are a victim of the world's greatest propaganda ministry.
Everything government is doing "to" you, is by your consent.
EVERYTHING.
You do not know how and when you gave that consent, and that's their best kept secret - in plain sight. It's found in any county courthouse law library - in the public record.

Also, please read the USCON, Article 4, Section 4. It promises a REPUBLICAN FORM of government, not a democratic form, nor a democratic socialist form.

And, no, a republican form is NOT a "Constitutionally limited democracy".

I, too, was a victim of the propaganda ministry. Despite college work, and post graduate studies, I had no clue as to the true nature of the law.

You will have to read it yourself, for you will not believe me if I tell you.

The United States of America was not a democracy, nor a representative democracy. It is the only nation with a republican form (not to be confused with a republic).

And I doubt that one in 100,000 Americans can define what a republican form is, thanks to the efforts of our indoctrination ministry. I know I couldn't, despite studying what I thought was "American History".

Go read the law.
Please.
I am actually interested in what you are saying here.

Could you give me a link or tell me more about this?

I don't really want to go digging around to find this information, but if you give me a starting point i'd like to read about it.
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