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View Poll Results: Should critics of the Fed like Ron Paul be worried for their safety?
You better believe it 23 79.31%
No, the Fed is as pure as the driven snow 1 3.45%
No, because there is no way to dissolve the Fed now 4 13.79%
No, because the Fed is a federal institution 2 6.90%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-24-2010, 01:29 AM
 
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Obama is under constant, 24-hour, surveillance by agents of the Federal Reserve Bank, who say it is because they love we.
Technically, the Secret Service is in the Department of Treasury. And the Secretary of Treasury is the U.S. Governor of the "Bank" and the "Fund". And by law, he shall not be paid by the U.S. government. (See: Title 22 USC Sec. 286a).

So in a roundabout fashion, that is correct.

Since 1933, no one has been paid with dollars, so it's hard to say "who" is paying the bills.
Title 22 USC Sec. 286a
(a) Governors and executive directors; term of office
The President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint a governor of the Fund who shall also serve as a governor of the (World) Bank, and an executive director of the (International Monetary) Fund and an executive director of the Bank.
...
(d) Compensation for services (1) No person shall be entitled to receive any salary or other compensation from the United States for services as a Governor, executive director, councilor, alternate, or associate.
According to page 494 of the U.S. Government Manual, 1993/1994 edition:
"In addition, the Secretary (of Treasury) has many responsibilities as chief financial officer of the Government. The Secretary serves as Chairman pro tempore of the Economic Policy council and as U.S. Governor of the International Monetary Fund, the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development, the Inter-American Development Bank, and the African Development Bank."
The president may choose the Secretary of Treasury (aka U.S. Governor of the "Bank" and "Fund"), but he's paid by somebody else.

Let's not forget the Great Gold Robbery
The Great Gold Robbery of 1933 - Thomas E. Woods, Jr. - Mises Daily

And the many Executive Orders that transfer powers to the Secretary of Treasury during this State of Emergency...(bankruptcy of the USA).
United States Bankruptcy Fraud, Core Section 1.
The Reorganization is located in Title 5 of United States Codes Annotated. The "Explanation" at the beginning of 5 U.S.C.A. is most informative reading. The "Secretary of Treasury" was appointed as the "Receiver" in Bankruptcy. (See: Reorganization Plan No. 26, 5 U.S.C.A. 903, Public Law 94-564, Legislative History, pg. 5967).

 
Old 11-24-2010, 08:18 AM
 
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Executive Order 11110 signed by John F. Kennedy on June 4, 1963 is one of the reasons he was assasinated... Silver backed money is the only thing that will get us to pay off the national debt... But it would absolve the "FED"...
Andrew Jackson was the only president successful in ending the charter of the U.S. Bank... What is now known as the "FED"... Which is a British and German Bank... The USA is in debt to a bunch of Europeans...
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Methinks you need a fact checker.
Executive Order 11110 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In March 1964, Secretary of the Treasury C. Douglas Dillon halted redemption of silver certificates for silver dollars. In the 1970s, large numbers of the remaining silver dollars in the mint vaults were sold to the collecting public for collector value. All redemption in silver ceased on June 24, 1968.

By the way, if silver was not demonetized by the Coinage Act of 1873, the 13 trillion dollar debt computes to 10,010,000,000,000 ounces of silver, stamped into coin. (Ten trillion ounces)

Since silver is an industrial metal, it is not stockpiled.
Silver Mining World's Mines and Largest Undeveloped Deposits
In 2009, USA mined 39.8 (36) million ounces
At that rate, it will only take 252 thousand years to mine enough silver to pay the debt.
What fact checker?... You just confirmed and added to my post... JFK basically reversed the Coinage Act of 1873... Then was revoked by LBJ...

The rest of the story from the beginning:

The Money Masters - Part 1 of 2

The Money Masters - Part 2 of 2
 
Old 11-24-2010, 01:13 PM
 
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The public debt was there BEFORE the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
Abolishing the Federal Reserve does nothing to erase the public debt.

Technically, the United States government, located in the District of Columbia is on the hook for the debt...
Plus 300 million "human resources" via FICA.

But if a substantial number of "human resources" withdrew consent...
If you thought an upside down mortgage was bad, wait till you see an upside down government.
Abolishing the Fed might not, but nationalizing the Fed would. We would just pay the Fed a fair market sum for the tangible value of their company - which is maybe a few billion, then honor the debt that foreigners own by issuing new currency from the US Treasury.
 
Old 11-24-2010, 07:01 PM
 
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I don't think that Kennedy's death had anything to do with his harsh criticism of Fed policies or Executive Order 11110 - try the Mob and maybe the FBI.

And there was no Fed in Lincoln's time (not to mention Booth wasn't motivated by monetary policy)

If Dr. Paul's actions threatened some powerful force in government they'd take his subcommittee chairmanship away from him and back an opposing candidate in the 2012 congressional primary first.
 
Old 11-24-2010, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Ron Paul is but a small fish. He's already been written off in the press.
They'll leave him alone as long as he rattles no cages or gets too much support behind him.
Tru dat.
 
Old 11-29-2010, 03:23 PM
 
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I don't think that Kennedy's death had anything to do with his harsh criticism of Fed policies or Executive Order 11110 - try the Mob and maybe the FBI.

And there was no Fed in Lincoln's time (not to mention Booth wasn't motivated by monetary policy)

If Dr. Paul's actions threatened some powerful force in government they'd take his subcommittee chairmanship away from him and back an opposing candidate in the 2012 congressional primary first.
There WAS a group of bankers led by the Rothschilds, who had been dumped as central bankers by Andrew Jackson, who saw the plan Lincoln had to permanantly dispose of them.

Gerald Grattan McGeer was elected to the Canadian parliament in 1935
“To orthodox finance, Lincoln became at once ‘a dangerous tyrant’. If he were permitted to put his ideas into practice he would destroy the sovereignty of Money Power.

“Lincoln, released from the problems of the Civil War, following his second election, proceeded at once to free mankind from the burden of unpayable, interest-bearing debt claims. He lost no time in commencing his campaign to free the American people from the slavery of mass usury.

“The oligarchy of high finance saw in the successful Lincoln a statesman enjoying the unchallengeable power of exalted leadership which is the privilege of superior achievement. He was the one man in the world who was willing and able to meet and to overthrow the control over the government which organized finance was seeking to perfect.

With the problems of the rebellion out of the way, the bankers knew that Lincoln would devote his undivided attention to developing the monetary system he had proposed to Congress.

If Lincoln were allowed to carry out his ideas, the hope that international financiers had of establishing world sovereignty for Money Power would be impossible of fulfillment.” — Gerry McGeer
As a result of McGeer’s work, Prime Minister MacKenzie King ended the private debt-based monetary system, ran much like the Federal Reserve, which was instituted in the 1920s and 1930s, and instituted a public debt-free and commodity-free legal tender.

The debt-free and commodity-free currency worked very well for the Canadian people, though I’m sure under constant attack by the bankers, until the debt-based monetary system returned in the 1970s, resulting in an explosion of national debt and 95% of the currency in circulation based on debt.

Gerry McGeer: Lincoln Killed by Bankers « Liberty Revival
 
Old 12-06-2010, 01:08 PM
 
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He's OK as long as he doesn't pose a real threat to the staus quo such as Perot did, and when they threatened to behead his daughter if he didn't withdraw. If Paul became a major party candidate he would be in very great danger. Of course, they would first try the "buy 'em off" before the "kill 'em off".
Ross was no threat to the Fed or anyone in big bid-ness.
 
Old 12-06-2010, 01:37 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
Methinks you need a fact checker.
Executive Order 11110 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In March 1964, Secretary of the Treasury C. Douglas Dillon halted redemption of silver certificates for silver dollars. In the 1970s, large numbers of the remaining silver dollars in the mint vaults were sold to the collecting public for collector value. All redemption in silver ceased on June 24, 1968.

By the way, if silver was not demonetized by the Coinage Act of 1873, the 13 trillion dollar debt computes to 10,010,000,000,000 ounces of silver, stamped into coin. (Ten trillion ounces)

Since silver is an industrial metal, it is not stockpiled.
Silver Mining World's Mines and Largest Undeveloped Deposits
In 2009, USA mined 39.8 (36) million ounces
At that rate, it will only take 252 thousand years to mine enough silver to pay the debt.
There amount of pure stupidity of returning to the gold or precious medal is astounding.

People want to return to the gold standard. Well the world's largest producer of gold is CHINA!

This whole 'Nationalize The FED" is just ignorant populist ranting by people who have little if any understanding of how the FED works or the financial histrory of the United States.
 
Old 12-06-2010, 01:53 PM
 
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President John F. Kennedy in 1963 signed Executive Orders EO-11 and EO-110, returning to the government the responsibility to print money, taking that privilege away from the Federal Reserve System.
That's a blatant lie and I will expose it here and now.

The Executive Order you incorrectly refer to as "EO-11" signed in 1963 is actually Executive Order 11010 signed March 19, 1962.

The EO is an amendment to EO 10713 relating to the administration of the Ryukyu Islands.

1962 Executive Orders Disposition Tables

The Executive Order you incorrectly refer to as EO-110 is actually EO 11110 signed June 4, 1963.

Executive Orders Disposition Tables

EO 11110 amends of EO 10289 signed September 17, 1951

Executive Orders Disposition Tables

EO 10289 amended:

Executive Order 9835
Prescribing Procedures for the Administration of an Employees Loyalty Program in the Executive Branch of the Government
  • Signed: March 21, 1947
  • Federal Register Page and Date: 12 FR 1935, March 25, 1947
  • Revokes: EO 9300, February 5, 1943
  • Amended by: EO 10241, April 28, 1951
  • Revoked by: EO 10450, April 27, 1953
  • See: Presidential Directive of March 13, 1948 (13 FR 1359); Transfer Order 19 of the Secretary of Defense dated July 23, 1948 (13 FR 4419) ; EO 10031, January 26, 1949; EO 10280, August 16, 1951; EO 10422, January 9, 1953; EO 11605, July 2, 1971; EO 11785, June 4, 1974

Executive Order 10816
Amendment of Executive Order No. 10501 of November 5, 1953, Relating to Safeguarding Official Information in the Interests of the Defense of the United States
  • Signed: May 7, 1959
  • Federal Register page and date: 24 FR 3777, May 12, 1959
  • Amends: EO 10501, November 5, 1953
  • See: EO 10290, September 24, 1951; EO 10865, February 20, 1960; EO 11652, March 8, 1972

Executive Order 10964
Amendment to Executive Order 10501—Safeguarding official information in the interests of the defense of the United States
  • Signed: September 20, 1961
  • Federal Register page and date: 26 FR 8932, September 22, 1961
  • Amends: EO 10501, November 5, 1953
  • See: EO 10290, September 24, 1951; EO 11652, March 8, 1972

Contrary to your blatant lies, only the US Treasury Department has the authority to print money.

Also contrary to your lies, the Federal Reserve since its creation in 1913 has never printed any money in any denomination.

The Federal Reserve deals in credit and debt, not paper money. The US Treasury Department continues to print money, as well as remove money from circulation.

Congrats to "jetgraphics" for calling you out as well.
 
Old 12-06-2010, 01:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by JazzyTallGuy View Post
There amount of pure stupidity of returning to the gold or precious medal is astounding.

People want to return to the gold standard. Well the world's largest producer of gold is CHINA!

This whole 'Nationalize The FED" is just ignorant populist ranting by people who have little if any understanding of how the FED works or the financial histrory of the United States.
Actually... China is stockpiling silver... They've been buying it up for the past 10 years...
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