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For electric and plug-in hybrids you do. Don't hurt yourself with all those headsmacks.
First of all, electric cars are not hybrids. And second, no, you don't need a charging station for a plug-in hybrid. Don't hurt yourself with all that ignorance.
I stand corrected on the range of hybrids (I was thinking total electric), but even then the figure claimed is very much dependent upon how you drive it.
For instance, a couple I know have one (a Toyota) and the wife claims she can get over 50 mpg with it, but her husband (who recently died) says the best he could get was similar to what he would have gotten from a 4-cylinder gasoline engine.
I would love to own a hybrid, but with the price different, it just not worth it. It is true that it has high MPG, however it just doesn't justify the cost increase to won one. When I was looking for buy a car in the 2008 and 2009, the price different is about $6000. I asked myself, how many gallons do I have to burn before I get any benefits on the hybrid that I bought to save money. The answer is a lot. If you don't drive a lot, that probably translate close to a decade. As far as I know, most people would have replace their card before it turns 10.
First of all, electric cars are not hybrids. And second, no, you don't need a charging station for a plug-in hybrid. Don't hurt yourself with all that ignorance.
I said electric AND plug-in hybrids. And what do you think you're plugging that hybrid into? A charging station. It's kind of inherent in the name... "plug-in hybrid charging station".
I said electric AND plug-in hybrids. And what do you think you're plugging that hybrid into? A charging station. It's kind of inherent in the name... "plug-in hybrid charging station".
You said you were turned off by the lack of charging stations for hybrids, not for electric cars. You only added the "electric" part later. Conventional hybrids have no use for charging stations, and you don't need a "charging station" for a plug-in hybrid. You can plug it into a standard outlet from your house if you want to. And you don't even have to do that. A plug-in hybrid can still function on gasoline only.
I stand corrected on the range of hybrids (I was thinking total electric), but even then the figure claimed is very much dependent upon how you drive it.
For instance, a couple I know have one (a Toyota) and the wife claims she can get over 50 mpg with it, but her husband (who recently died) says the best he could get was similar to what he would have gotten from a 4-cylinder gasoline engine.
And if he were to drive a conventional 4-cylinder car the way he drives the hybrid, chances are he'd get even worse mileage.
You said you were turned off by the lack of charging stations for hybrids, not for electric cars. You only added the "electric" part later. Conventional hybrids have no use for charging stations, and you don't need a "charging station" for a plug-in hybrid. You can plug it into a standard outlet from your house if you want to. And you don't even have to do that. A plug-in hybrid can still function on gasoline only.
Nice try, but in my second post I did state electric and plug-in hybrids. I never claimed you couldn't recharge them at your house (which IIRC you still need to modify your standard outlet by installing charging equipment). Sure it can function on gas only, but what's the point of buying it with the hybrid electric capability if you only use gas? Duhhhhh.
Nice try, but in my second post I did state electric and plug-in hybrids. I never claimed you couldn't recharge them at your house (which IIRC you still need to modify your standard outlet by installing charging equipment). Sure it can function on gas only, but what's the point of buying it with the hybrid electric capability if you only use gas? Duhhhhh.
You said a lack of charging stations is why you aren't considering a hybrid. I made a simple, irrefutable counterpoint: hybrids don't need charging stations. Why you're all up in arms about that simple fact pointed out is beyond me. Furthermore, there's only one plug-in hybrid on the market right now (the Chevy Volt), so unless you were intent on buying only the Volt, there wasn't any need to even consider access to charging stations. It wasn't until I pointed that out that you suddenly changed from "hybrids" to "electric and plug-in hybrids."
And no, you don't need to modify anything to plug the Volt in. It will plug right into a standard wall socket. You only need to modify it if you want a higher voltage rating for quicker charging than your wall socket provides. But at the standard 110 volts, the Volt will fully recharge in 8 hours.
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Originally Posted by whatyousay
Do you enjoy arguing for argument's sake?
You're the one that moved the goalposts from hybrids to "electric and plug-in hybrids," so ask yourself the same question.
I would love to own a hybrid, but with the price different, it just not worth it. It is true that it has high MPG, however it just doesn't justify the cost increase to won one. When I was looking for buy a car in the 2008 and 2009, the price different is about $6000. I asked myself, how many gallons do I have to burn before I get any benefits on the hybrid that I bought to save money. The answer is a lot. If you don't drive a lot, that probably translate close to a decade. As far as I know, most people would have replace their card before it turns 10.
I ran into the same thing when I explored installing a wind generator at my house. Assuming optimal conditions, it would have taken 20 years to recoup my investment in the start-up cost (roughly $25-30,000 for one big enough to run my house totally) and the generator itself would be defunct by then.
I stand corrected on the range of hybrids (I was thinking total electric), but even then the figure claimed is very much dependent upon how you drive it.
For instance, a couple I know have one (a Toyota) and the wife claims she can get over 50 mpg with it, but her husband (who recently died) says the best he could get was similar to what he would have gotten from a 4-cylinder gasoline engine.
But that is hardly unique to hybrids. We can all get better gas mileage or worse gas mileage no matter what we drive depending on how we drive.
Personally, I'm getting better gas mileage now in our minivan, since I'm applying a couple of gas-saving techniques I learned on the Prius ... no jack-rabbit starts, no waiting until I'm almost at a stop sign or red light to brake, and so on.
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