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Old 11-27-2010, 11:41 AM
 
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Using recently released 2009 state gross domestic product figures from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis and total state expenditures for fiscal year 2009 from the most recent report of the National Association of State Budget Officers, we have come up with the 10 most socialist states in America.
The Most Socialist States In America

It's ironic that the former governor of Alaska is one of the most vocal critics of socialism, yet her state is ranked as the second most socialist state in America.

Also interesting that California - the state that is probably the most vilified among free-market conservatives - doesn't even make the top 10.

The full list:

1. West Virginia
2. Alaska
3. Alabama
4. Vermont
5. New Mexico
6. Mississippi
7. Wyoming
8. Arkansas
9. Hawaii
10. Rhode Island
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:46 AM
 
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The link comes from cnbc, I tend to believe the opposite of what they say so according to that those are the 10 most UNsocialist states in America.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:49 AM
 
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When will people learn that Sarah Palin wasn't responsible for the PDF and that the conditions that made that possible have their roots in the negotiations involved in the attainment of statehood?

Palin was gov. for what, a year and half? Can't recall exactly anymore. That's how important she is.

She does not and never has defined our state except in the minds of -48 urban liberals.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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The link comes from cnbc, I tend to believe the opposite of what they say so according to that those are the 10 most UNsocialist states in America.
Oh the old "poison the well" fallacy. Such a classic, haven't seen it in a few days.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:53 AM
 
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The link comes from cnbc, I tend to believe the opposite of what they say so according to that those are the 10 most UNsocialist states in America.
Actually, there were conditions set at the time of statehood concerning the resources of Alaska that could be said to be socialistic in principle. Nonetheless, we became a state before Palin was even born.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:53 AM
 
Location: OKC
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They are using an unusual definition of socialism.
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Old 11-27-2010, 12:02 PM
 
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Oh the old "poison the well" fallacy. Such a classic, haven't seen it in a few days.
Well calling Alabama socialist is like calling siberia a sun kissed lake side resort. If you believe that you'd believe anything.
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Old 11-27-2010, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Now, wait a minute! What are they trying to pull here and why?

First, they offer a definition of Socialism (which actually the purest form of it, Communism):

"In other words, a purely socialist state is one in which the state is responsible for 100% of economic output and spends all of it on social programs."

Then, they make their determination as to whether or not a state is "socialist" by doing this:

"...we measured total expenditures as a proportion of total economic output to compare the size of the public sector in each state."

Did you catch that little sleight of hand? They just changed definitions in mid-stream!

Their ranking of the states is only valid IF all the economic output of the state is because of the government and we know it isn't. Not one, single state owns all the means of production! In fact, so far as I know, it's all owned by private concerns which means either they're being deliberately deceptive to make a political point (probably in regards to Sarah Palin) or they're complete moron's who can't even understand what they just wrote in the previous paragraph.
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Old 11-27-2010, 03:35 PM
 
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Now, wait a minute! What are they trying to pull here and why?

First, they offer a definition of Socialism (which actually the purest form of it, Communism):

"In other words, a purely socialist state is one in which the state is responsible for 100% of economic output and spends all of it on social programs."

Then, they make their determination as to whether or not a state is "socialist" by doing this:

"...we measured total expenditures as a proportion of total economic output to compare the size of the public sector in each state."

Did you catch that little sleight of hand? They just changed definitions in mid-stream!

Their ranking of the states is only valid IF all the economic output of the state is because of the government and we know it isn't. Not one, single state owns all the means of production! In fact, so far as I know, it's all owned by private concerns which means either they're being deliberately deceptive to make a political point (probably in regards to Sarah Palin) or they're complete moron's who can't even understand what they just wrote in the previous paragraph.
I wonder if average people even believe the left's stories and excuses anymore? The thought of Alabama being more socialist than California is just too obvious a lie even for the left to try to pass off.
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Old 11-27-2010, 03:49 PM
 
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