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Old 11-29-2010, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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I see thread after thread lamenting human rights violations by Muslims. There is no doubt that there are many human rights violations occurring in some Muslim countries and communities, but why is it that one never sees threads about the numerous other human rights travesties occurring globally in many other nations and communities?

The current issues facing Dalit communities, especially the women and children is unconscionable. They are the prime communities targeted for human slavery.

International Dalit Solidarity Network: Activists call for end to violence against the world

Dalit Freedom Network // Who are the Dalit? // Who are the Dalits?

You'd have to be living in a cave to not know about the violence against women taking place in Rwanda, Sudan, Burundi, and more recently the Congo/Angola border.

Congo-Angola Mass Rapes Draw Scant Notice | Womens eNews

And don't forget honor killings, the favorite source of outrage here. Honor killings are the most vile of atrocities, and every endeavour should be made to prosecute fully when committed here, and pressure community and international leaders to outlaw this barbaric practice. Honor killings take the lives of 5,000 women every year. But what about the equally barbaric "Dowry Deaths"? 8,000 women killed every year over insufficient dowries. Where is the outrage?

Dowry death - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And there are many more examples.

Why are people only outraged over the honor killings? Are the other lives not important? Should we not be equally outraged over all these atrocities?
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Old 11-29-2010, 09:55 AM
 
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It seems that the media can only handle one focus at a time. You are right - it is sad and outrageous.
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Old 11-29-2010, 10:00 AM
 
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Maybe because the Islamic countries preach MORE about religious "purity", than most of the other human rights abusers?

Steve
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Old 11-29-2010, 10:12 AM
 
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Maybe because the Islamic countries preach MORE about religious "purity", than most of the other human rights abusers?

Steve
Or the fact that the Islamic countries are the first to blast and complain about other countries, particularly Western countries, about human rights violations that pale in comparison to theirs?
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Old 11-29-2010, 10:20 AM
 
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"Why are Muslims singled out for human rights violations?"
Because it's much easier to point out the faults in other religions, but not in one's own religion.
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Old 11-29-2010, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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I see thread after thread lamenting human rights violations by Muslims. There is no doubt that there are many human rights violations occurring in some Muslim countries and communities, but why is it that one never sees threads about the numerous other human rights travesties occurring globally in many other nations and communities?

The current issues facing Dalit communities, especially the women and children is unconscionable. They are the prime communities targeted for human slavery.

International Dalit Solidarity Network: Activists call for end to violence against the world

Dalit Freedom Network // Who are the Dalit? // Who are the Dalits?

You'd have to be living in a cave to not know about the violence against women taking place in Rwanda, Sudan, Burundi, and more recently the Congo/Angola border.

Congo-Angola Mass Rapes Draw Scant Notice | Womens eNews

And don't forget honor killings, the favorite source of outrage here. Honor killings are the most vile of atrocities, and every endeavour should be made to prosecute fully when committed here, and pressure community and international leaders to outlaw this barbaric practice. Honor killings take the lives of 5,000 women every year. But what about the equally barbaric "Dowry Deaths"? 8,000 women killed every year over insufficient dowries. Where is the outrage?

Dowry death - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And there are many more examples.

Why are people only outraged over the honor killings? Are the other lives not important? Should we not be equally outraged over all these atrocities?
Muslim attrocities, violence against women, and honor killings are far from mutually exclusive. In Islam a woman is a perpetual minor, going from being under her father's control to her brother's control or her husband's when she marries. In such a society women are just valuable property and violence against them is gretly downplayed. It takes two witnesses to prove rape under Sharia (Islamic) law. A woman's testimony in court counts only 1/2 that of a man so it would tkae 4 women as witnesses to prove a rape.
Honor killings are particularly common in Muslim societies since Mohammad called for death to anyone who kills a Muslim EXCEPT a Muslim who kills his children or his children's children. That is permitted. Muslims make up 30.1% of Sub-Saharan Africa. List of countries by Muslim population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It is no surprise that all the violence you mention is in Africa. Of course honor killings aren't just limited to places in Africa most Americans couldn't find on a map. They happen right here in the US as well: Arizona: Muslim who intentionally killed daughter is exempt from death penalty – because he’s Muslim. Is this fair?
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Old 11-29-2010, 11:24 AM
 
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Muslim attrocities, violence against women, and honor killings are far from mutually exclusive. In Islam a woman is a perpetual minor, going from being under her father's control to her brother's control or her husband's when she marries. In such a society women are just valuable property and violence against them is gretly downplayed. It takes two witnesses to prove rape under Sharia (Islamic) law. A woman's testimony in court counts only 1/2 that of a man so it would tkae 4 women as witnesses to prove a rape.
Honor killings are particularly common in Muslim societies since Mohammad called for death to anyone who kills a Muslim EXCEPT a Muslim who kills his children or his children's children. That is permitted. Muslims make up 30.1% of Sub-Saharan Africa. List of countries by Muslim population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It is no surprise that all the violence you mention is in Africa. Of course honor killings aren't just limited to places in Africa most Americans couldn't find on a map. They happen right here in the US as well: Arizona: Muslim who intentionally killed daughter is exempt from death penalty – because he’s Muslim. Is this fair?
All good points. The role of women in certain Muslim communities is inhumane, and the punishments handed out for "alleged" infractions is barbaric and brutal. I am curious as to why you only referenced Muslim atrocities though, in fact proving the point of my OP?
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Old 11-29-2010, 12:31 PM
 
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All good points. The role of women in certain Muslim communities is inhumane, and the punishments handed out for "alleged" infractions is barbaric and brutal. I am curious as to why you only referenced Muslim atrocities though, in fact proving the point of my OP?
Name another religion or region of the world that is as brutal. When you finally do find some, look and see what kind of political system they have. It is either going to be Communist or Socialist.
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Old 11-29-2010, 12:33 PM
 
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Name another religion or region of the world that is as brutal. When you finally do find some, look and see what kind of political system they have. It is either going to be Communist or Socialist.
Perhaps you did not read my OP? The Dowry Deaths occur in Hindu culture, and account for 8,000 deaths a year.
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Old 11-29-2010, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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All good points. The role of women in certain Muslim communities is inhumane, and the punishments handed out for "alleged" infractions is barbaric and brutal. I am curious as to why you only referenced Muslim atrocities though, in fact proving the point of my OP?
The reasons I focus on Muslim atrocities, as opposed to dowery-related murders in India for example, are as follows:

1 The actions are sanctioned by the Qu'an, Sunnah, and leading Islamic scholars. This makes the movement far more dangerous than simply abhorant cultural, regional practices.

2 Islam has a mandate to spread their beliefs over the whole world but any means necessary including warfare (jihad). It has a nearly 1400 year history of expansion through violence and where it spreads it brings its practices with it.

3 There is a prevailing mainstream media monolog that tries to tell us that all the Muslim attrocities are just isolated events and that there is no systemic Islamic problem. That lie must be countered.
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