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Well YOU don't have that right either, and between both sides it's yall's that are the ones complaining about being offended 99% of the time. Kids are being stopped from wearing Crosses to school but libs can put this filth in museums at taxpayer expense. Complete hypocracy.
Photo's of a group of naked jews herded together by force prior to being executed is not pornography. If you're looking at the same photo and see porn no one can be responsible for where your mind goes and what your eyes refuse to see. In viewing an audience responding to that photo, I am also compelled to see an echo of the same sickness driving others to be stripped naked, humiliated, and slaughtered. This is the dynamic statement art makes about the world we share, the state of humanity as-it-is, and sometimes what we wish it were but isn't.
The American flag in classrooms was challenged by religious nutjobs in Jehovahs Witness. Thank them for what you conveniently blame liberals about.
It was actually having to salute the flag and say the Pledge. But you are right, most of the screaming and yelling from ultra conservatives about liberals destroying America actually came from screaming and yelling conservatives.
Who here has said anything about censorship? We simply don't want to be forced to subsidize artwork that serves to specifically offend those of faith. They can create all the homoerotic anti-Christian artwork they want and display it in their own galleries on their own dime.
Define anti christian, as well as 'hate crime', so that it applies to all equally, not just a pet special interest group. That's what you need to be saying, not claiming yourself victim of the planet. Free speech is a responsibility, and when it's abused, it should not be supported. I agree.
I also disagree with the OP that this art is proven offensive. I've only heard emotional reactions and no reasons why you feel it offensive. Please do explain why you feel as you do about the statement you think the artist made. I'm listening to that, but cannot take seriously peoples 'right' to mete out revenge on a museum. Sounds a whole lot like killing a cartoonist for drawing Allah. Does that sound right to you?
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts
Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.
Well believe it or don't, but it happens every year. Here's but one example:
Upon discussing the German Christmas Village in Philadelphia, city officials made the decision to have the word "Christmas" removed from the sign. Why, you ask?.....
I'm not understanding the nature of the complaint. IMO "Christmas Village" is simply truth in advertising. This article did a very poor job of telling both sides of the story.
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Perhaps YOU need to look in the mirror as well as the dictionary. Censorship refers to not allowing something to be shown. Now, forcing the people to pay for what is shown gets into the area of Tyranny. Once again, you are free to go and view this exhibit in a privately funded gallery on your own dime.
Forcing a Museum to only permit art that promotes Christianity is Tyranny when atheists, Muslims, Hindu, and Jewish people pay taxes. Have I got that right?
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Well, guess what. It has been removed. And future funding of the Smithsonian Gallery will be seriously reconsidered. It is not a necessity. It is "frosting on the governmental spending cake," and this frosting is looking very rancid to the majority of the U.S. taxpayers, who have voted in and will hopefully continue to vote in a more reasonable voice that represents the integrity and decency and choice of the majority of solid citizens and not pander to the lowest denominator in the name of political correctness.
You mean like replacing all the displays in smithsonian with velveteen portraits of Jesus? Using the arm of the government to be an economic thug against your fellow countrymen? Seems to me your position is the lowest denominator and the smithsonian has acquiesced to political correctness of people too feeble minded to even ask the artist what he/she meant. I feel morally compelled to throw you out of court for frivolous lawsuit.
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I think it is time for real artist to depict the decay and deviance of the homosexual community. I could think of a few paintings that would depict exactly what they are all about.
True. And the artist who depicts in untruthful ways will be subject to rebuke if they are lying the same way 'Jesus ant' should be if it is indeed untruthful.
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Rome was always Pagan.
And so are you if you've got a christmas tree or easter eggs. Not biblical, they're pagan add ons. So shouldn't the majority of folks truthfully be changing their bumper stickers to 'proud to be pagan nation' and raise their pagan flag above the American flag?
Part of the reason why religious art was prohibited by scripture was the acknowledgment of idolatry as sin. This means that the cross on your neck is arguably confusing you into worshiping a piece of metal instead of where your worship belongs. There were also prohibitions of naming God, that is to say- the act of uttering or evoking the name is thought to be a man's way of ''owning' God. I believe they are correct in their Biblical concerns only on the grounds of seeing how reliably people misrepresent God. But we digress...
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Perhaps some "artist" will make a painting of Islam's prophet raping his child bride or a painting of Islam's prophet wearing a suicide bomber vest naming the painting, "the true face of Islam".
Yes and a christian artist could offer up a painting of a virgin daughter offered up as fresh meat by her father to gang rapists as a trade-off to protect an angel of the lord. Or depictions of incest. Or many other not-so-stellar examples in the bible. Is that blasphemous? Would that be a 'hate crime'? Is it a hate crime to identify Hitler as being a christian? Look at this... Religion in Nazi Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Be serious, this has nothing to do with art, it is commercialism and nothing else.
The only "art" that’s involved here is how to get attention by being as provocative as can be.
I am dead tired of those "artists" who for getting the public’s attention are ready to desecrate anything they can put their hands on without ever taking into account people’s sensitivity and values.
They would show blown up photographs of a kid being eaten by a snake if such a move was to be useful to their name recognition.
I have been working in the art world most of my life, I know what I am talking about.
I wholeheartedly agree with you but who drives their attention, really? I too have been in the art world. Fine Art was my first degree but the networking wine and cheese crowd frankly- I'm averse to them. The art world expressed it's revulsion to a rewards system based on commercial avarice values, did it not? Does it not continue to voice it's grievance in indie films, poetry and music? Even some of the original hip hop before it sold out?
Those fella's-- hootie and the blowfish and Dave Mathews don't appear to pander to selling out. All of this is also art, just another format that found commercial viability. Here in WV a glass art factory- Fenton glass, nearly went out of business because it failed to be supported as 'art'. I hope America comes to cherish Appalachian folk art someday in the same way bluegrass music is appreciated by a few loyal fans across USA via NPR.
You obviously have missed the bigger picture. And to call a church a urinal is despicable. You should be embarrassed.
Atheist nuts, wattayagonnado.
I'm not atheist. I'm catholic in defense of religion when they are actually practicing said religion. When they act like tyrants wearing a God cloak, I've got a huge problem with them. Walk your talk andrea. Your Lord is watching you, unless you prefer to worship political men above your maker. Then you are no longer Christian, but something other than Christian. Then you are no longer American, but something other than American. It's a free country, and you are free to be what you truly are. You just might not like what people call you when they judge you by your deeds.
It hasn't disappeared. It will simply be displayed elsewhere.
Generally, I'll do you a deal. Get your goddamned crosses out of my face and I'll withdraw my tax funds from "inappropriate" displays at the Smithonian.
Paul Erdös spent the academic year 1953-54 at the University of Notre Dame.
"The only thing that bothers me", he said, "There are too many plus signs".
Notre Dame benefited wildly from his mathematical genius, and did not lose it's tradition rooted in faith. Erdos was not forced into religious practice as a term and condition of employment. There is no problem, until people create one with false allegations and feigned persecution.
It was actually having to salute the flag and say the Pledge. But you are right, most of the screaming and yelling from ultra conservatives about liberals destroying America actually came from screaming and yelling conservatives.
The flag isn't banned from the classroom, but policies in place restricting the pledge of allegiance erased it's necessity of presence in the minds of some. I disagree with that, but, there it is just the same. You want savings for your school budget, these things get cut. Everyone had their rights adjusted to compensate for Jehovah's witness, which I believe could have been gone about another way. Prayers in school used to be 'a moment of silence', and it was provided respectfully for all in a dignified way. Having a room full of sibling rivals, each trying to obnoxiously yell their prayers over the others totally defeats the point, does it not?
It was actually having to salute the flag and say the Pledge. But you are right, most of the screaming and yelling from ultra conservatives about liberals destroying America actually came from screaming and yelling conservatives.
What? I'm can only assume that you are equating everyone who is a religious fundamentalist, must by default, also be a conservative, otherwise you comment makes no sense.
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You obviously have missed the bigger picture. And to call a church a urinal is despicable. You should be embarrassed. 
