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Old 03-25-2011, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Since the 60s we've had major crime problems and people suffering the side effects of drug use.
There is only about a 3% success rate of getting people off with programs.

It has screwed the country.
It has cost us an arm and a leg.
It has screwed up families.
It is associated with almost all violent crimes.

NO, WE DON'T BLESS IT!

We just hope those associated with it do us all a favor and die so all these problems can go away.

No, the war on drugs has screwed the country. The war on drugs has screwed up families.

Millions of people use drugs and are not addicted and commit no crimes.
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Old 03-25-2011, 08:40 PM
 
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Since the 60s we've had major crime problems and people suffering the side effects of drug use.
There is only about a 3% success rate of getting people off with programs.

It has screwed the country.
It has cost us an arm and a leg.
It has screwed up families.
It is associated with almost all violent crimes.

NO, WE DON'T BLESS IT!

We just hope those associated with it do us all a favor and die so all these problems can go away.
This is a perfect example of someone who has been sucked in by fear mongering. Not everyone who smokes marijuana commits crimes and it doesn't make anyone violent. Drug related incidents (and crimes) are usually because someone got greedy and tried to steal or hustle someone out of their payment or stash. However if the stuff was readily available like cigarettes you wouldn't see that happening.
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Old 03-25-2011, 09:31 PM
 
Location: it depends
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Default It is ironic...

You can buy a LETHAL dose in any of 67 varieties from your neighborhood liquor store, yet we spend hundreds of billions of dollars in the war on other drugs. HALF the police, HALF the judicial system, HALF the prison system soaks up our wealth in a battle that cannot be won.

Prohibition showed us that the war on drug abuse (alcohol) is necessarily an individual battle, not a societal battle. Did we learn?

Drug lords and the law enforcement community both have a vested interest in the war on drugs. It is what makes drugs so profitable for the one, and gives employment to the other. The rest of us just pay for it, those who pay taxes. A surprising fraction of those who do not pay taxes have been victimized by the war on drugs, tarred with criminal records and prison records that hurt employability.
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Old 03-26-2011, 02:40 PM
 
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Since the 60s we've had major crime problems and people suffering the side effects of drug use.
There is only about a 3% success rate of getting people off with programs.

It has screwed the country.
It has cost us an arm and a leg.
It has screwed up families.
It is associated with almost all violent crimes.

NO, WE DON'T BLESS IT!

We just hope those associated with it do us all a favor and die so all these problems can go away.
When you make drugs illegal you get stronger more concentrated forms of the drug. In the Andes Mountains the chew cocaine leaves with little ill effects on their society. (It is a very effective treatment for altitude sickness. Get a head ache when you are skiing drink some coffee not as good but it still works.) Crack cocaine in the US is very destructive. The same goes for most other drugs as well. Cocaine leaves legal crack not available. Etc.
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Old 03-26-2011, 02:57 PM
 
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Yeah, all we need is for our society to accept dirt bags and their unsavory behavior. Do you really think the Drug Cartels will just go away? HAHAHA, never in a million years. They will just sell their stuff cheaper. They will NEVER just disappear unless they are all wiped out.
They will never be wiped out either. Hell, we won't even put i dent in the power of the cartels.

The Drug War is a joke played upon poor people...no more and no less. Folks are going to get the dope come hell or high water. If you wanna keep dropping 35k a year to lock up druggies, then i don't know what to say for you....
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Old 03-26-2011, 03:01 PM
 
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Shades of George Orwell, keep the masses drugged and complacent. I don't think so.

Last edited by pommysmommy; 03-26-2011 at 03:01 PM.. Reason: typo
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Old 03-26-2011, 03:12 PM
 
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You can buy a LETHAL dose in any of 67 varieties from your neighborhood liquor store, yet we spend hundreds of billions of dollars in the war on other drugs. HALF the police, HALF the judicial system, HALF the prison system soaks up our wealth in a battle that cannot be won.

Prohibition showed us that the war on drug abuse (alcohol) is necessarily an individual battle, not a societal battle. Did we learn?

Drug lords and the law enforcement community both have a vested interest in the war on drugs. It is what makes drugs so profitable for the one, and gives employment to the other. The rest of us just pay for it, those who pay taxes. A surprising fraction of those who do not pay taxes have been victimized by the war on drugs, tarred with criminal records and prison records that hurt employability.
The law enforcement community especially loves the drug wars and the big budgets it brings their departments.
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Old 03-26-2011, 03:14 PM
 
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Shades of George Orwell, keep the masses drugged and complacent. I don't think so.
The masses won't be drug users....that's fearmongering. Drug users will remain a distinct minority just like they are now. Nothing will change. Well, except that people will actually have freedom to make choices without going to taxpayer funded prisons at the cost of thousands per year.
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Old 03-26-2011, 03:19 PM
 
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The masses won't be drug users....that's fearmongering. Drug users will remain a distinct minority just like they are now. Nothing will change. Well, except that people will actually have freedom to make choices without going to taxpayer funded prisons at the cost of thousands per year.
I disagree.
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Old 03-26-2011, 04:23 PM
 
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I disagree.
Don't you think that drug war "surveillance" tactics, no-knock raids (which sometimes hit the wrong house), civil forfeiture laws, mysterious "informants" who help convict people on what turns out to be fabricated or incorrect evidence, and the militarization of local police agencies... are a bit more "Orwellian?"
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