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Old 12-08-2010, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Every KW-Hr collected or generated by a solar or wind power plant is a KW-Hr not purchased from the oil or coal industries. This is why "Alternate Energy" is not supported.

France is probably the best example of switching to non petroleum based energy system. When the Algerian revolt cut off their sources of cheap oil they decided to invest heavily in conventional nuclear power and electric high speed rail. Now they do not use oil to make electricity and have a transport system that is cheaper than driving and as fast as aircraft.

We need to do the same but I doubt if we will unless the petroleum investors find a way to profit from the alternate energy. Our policies are determined by the needs of money not the needs of the country.
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Old 12-08-2010, 08:45 AM
 
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Why do people keep repeating that nonsense?

In case you are really interested why Spain is in trouble...

The Complete Guide To The Oncoming Spanish Debt Crisis That Everyone Is Terrified Of
why do we keep repeating the "nonsense" as you say?


because of the following... from your link

9 Reasons Spain Is A Dead Economy Walking

The new "green economy" in Spain has been a total flop. Socialist leaders promised that implementing hardcore restrictions on carbon emissions and forcing the nation over to a "green economy" would result in a flood of "green jobs". But that simply did not happen. In fact, a leaked internal assessment produced by the government of Spain reveals that the "green economy" has been an absolute economic nightmare for that nation. Energy prices have skyrocketed in Spain and the new "green economy" in that nation has actually lost more than two jobs for every job that it has created. But Spain so far seems unwilling to undo all of the crazy regulations that they have implemented.
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Old 12-08-2010, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Coalman - IIRC China leads the world in coal mine fatality rates. Maybe they cannot find enough miners or don't have enough left?
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Old 12-08-2010, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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No, hydropower is officially considered one of the renewable energy sources around the world.
Obviously it is, but tell that to my state. Well, we have a republican governor-elect, so maybe that will change now.
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Old 12-08-2010, 08:47 AM
 
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Every KW-Hr collected or generated by a solar or wind power plant is a KW-Hr not purchased from the oil or coal industries. This is why "Alternate Energy" is not supported.

France is probably the best example of switching to non petroleum based energy system. When the Algerian revolt cut off their sources of cheap oil they decided to invest heavily in conventional nuclear power and electric high speed rail. Now they do not use oil to make electricity and have a transport system that is cheaper than driving and as fast as aircraft.

We need to do the same but I doubt if we will unless the petroleum investors find a way to profit from the alternate energy. Our policies are determined by the needs of money not the needs of the country.
GregW, this is an area where we completely agree. we need to move to nuclear power...
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Old 12-08-2010, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Every KW-Hr collected or generated by a solar or wind power plant is a KW-Hr not purchased from the oil or coal industries. This is why "Alternate Energy" is not supported.

France is probably the best example of switching to non petroleum based energy system. When the Algerian revolt cut off their sources of cheap oil they decided to invest heavily in conventional nuclear power and electric high speed rail. Now they do not use oil to make electricity and have a transport system that is cheaper than driving and as fast as aircraft.

We need to do the same but I doubt if we will unless the petroleum investors find a way to profit from the alternate energy. Our policies are determined by the needs of money not the needs of the country.
There are very, very few power plants that use petroleum fuel, and I'd guess that 90% of them are diesel powered emergency generators, not main power distribution sources. Due the the environmentalists denying any nuclear power, most all of our main electrical power now comes from burning coal.
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Old 12-08-2010, 08:57 AM
 
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This really is a silly argument. in about 10 years Exxon will perfect the ability to produce oil from algae and we will stop pumping oil out of the ground.
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Old 12-08-2010, 09:00 AM
 
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Coalman - IIRC China leads the world in coal mine fatality rates. Maybe they cannot find enough miners or don't have enough left?
Yes, thousands each year. The one figure I heard was our yearly average is their daily average. It's a lot.
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Old 12-08-2010, 09:09 AM
 
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There are very, very few power plants that use petroleum fuel, and I'd guess that 90% of them are diesel powered emergency generators, not main power distribution sources. Due the the environmentalists denying any nuclear power, most all of our main electrical power now comes from burning coal.
O.K. I get it, natural gas is not petroleum. I guess a better use of semantics would be say that France moved away from hydrocarbon based energy sources to nuclear and other energy sources. The fact the language could have been better doesn't change the fact that for the most part France is free from the energy dependencies that the United States for the foreseeable future.

Also you seem to be forgetting a little incident called "Three Mile Island" that happened in South Central Pennsylvania in 1979.


Three Mile Island accident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The reality is if the commercial nuclear energy industry had been able to put adequate safeguards in place on their own and trained people properly there would not be a need for the extensive government oversight
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Old 12-08-2010, 09:16 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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This really is a silly argument. in about 10 years Exxon will perfect the ability to produce oil from algae and we will stop pumping oil out of the ground.
That is not the solution if we continue to burn oil. For plastics production, OK, but if we burn oil thus produced, we still emit a lot of gases.
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