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Old 12-06-2010, 09:04 AM
 
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"Holiday" is a contraction of "Holy Day" so I would think atheists would be offended by "Happy Holidays." But enough of all this political correctness.
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Old 12-06-2010, 09:06 AM
 
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Fundamentalist Christians get torqued up about the stupidest stuff...
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Old 12-06-2010, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Well! Do the British ever wish Americans a happy holiday on the 4th of July?
Having several British friends on my facebook page, I'm happy to say YES, they do wish me Happy 4th of July every year.
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Old 12-06-2010, 09:16 AM
 
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i don't think anybody cares. i don't care if someone says merry Christmas or happy holidays.

maybe happy holidays just sounds more modern.
The question is are people trying to take Christ out of Christmas? People do care. People say Christ wasn't born on this day, which, is splitting hairs. This day weather you want to acknowledge it or NOT is the birth of Christ. If Dec. 25th is changed to Holiday, we have no Christmas, and we have taken Jesus out of our lives. The problem is the stores, they start celebrating Christmas at Halloween, the store shelves are getting all mixed up at once. To much commercialism of Christmas.

Once people start changing the meaning of Christmas, they will try to element the day all together. I hear people say the don't want to change it and in the same breathe the don't want others to use Merry Christmas, they talk with a forked tongue.

No one is trying to change the name of Ramadan or Hanukkah!!
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Old 12-06-2010, 09:36 AM
 
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If Dec. 25th is changed to Holiday, we have no Christmas, and we have taken Jesus out of our lives.

Once people start changing the meaning of Christmas, they will try to element the day all together.
Unless someone is trying to eliminate the church you attend to celebrate Jesus' birth, Christmas will not be taken out of your life.

But if you want Santa, Rudolph, Stores and Shopping, lit evergreen trees, and blow up's on your lawn to represent your faith, knock yourself out
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Old 12-06-2010, 09:38 AM
 
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Default Many before Obama had a different IDEA

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It was a controversy way before Obama said:

"One of the great strengths of the United States is ... we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

The Pledge of Allegiance is not to a Christian holy book but... "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

If you want to take this President over others be my guest....Way before Obama was many great men who thought differently, as Christians we knew there would come a time when people would try to change our idenity...........We Are A Christian Nation
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers. And it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." John Jay, First Chief Justice of Supreme Court

"Our laws and institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teaching of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that is should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian . . . this is a Christian nation." US Supreme Court, 1892

George Washington: "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible."

Jimmy Carter: "You can't divorce religious belief and public service I've never detected any conflict between God's will and my political duty. If you violate one, you violate the other."

Grover Cleveland: "All must admit that the reception of the teachings of Christ results in the purest patriotism, in the most scrupulous fidelity to public trust, and in the best type of citizenship."

Woodrow Wilson: "America was born a Christian nation. America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of Holy Scriptures." 1911, pre-Presidential campaign speech.

Patrick Henry: “It often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” (May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses

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Old 12-06-2010, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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The question is are people trying to take Christ out of Christmas? People do care. People say Christ wasn't born on this day, which, is splitting hairs. This day weather you want to acknowledge it or NOT is the birth of Christ. If Dec. 25th is changed to Holiday, we have no Christmas, and we have taken Jesus out of our lives. The problem is the stores, they start celebrating Christmas at Halloween, the store shelves are getting all mixed up at once. To much commercialism of Christmas.

Once people start changing the meaning of Christmas, they will try to element the day all together. I hear people say the don't want to change it and in the same breathe the don't want others to use Merry Christmas, they talk with a forked tongue.

No one is trying to change the name of Ramadan or Hanukkah!!
The answer to your first question is NO. No one is trying to "take Christ out of Christmas". And in my 6 decades of life, I have never heard anyone say that I shouldn't say Merry Christmas. And no one is trying to change the name of Christmas either.
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Old 12-06-2010, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The question is are people trying to take Christ out of Christmas? People do care. People say Christ wasn't born on this day, which, is splitting hairs. This day weather you want to acknowledge it or NOT is the birth of Christ. If Dec. 25th is changed to Holiday, we have no Christmas, and we have taken Jesus out of our lives. The problem is the stores, they start celebrating Christmas at Halloween, the store shelves are getting all mixed up at once. To much commercialism of Christmas.

Once people start changing the meaning of Christmas, they will try to element the day all together. I hear people say the don't want to change it and in the same breathe the don't want others to use Merry Christmas, they talk with a forked tongue.

No one is trying to change the name of Ramadan or Hanukkah!!
You should really research how Christmas got to be on December 21st.

The Catholic church didn't have a big thing about Christs birth. It was just like any other Sunday, really Easter was the bigger religious holiday.

But there was the pagan celebration of the winter solstice on or around December 21st. Europeans got drunk, partied like it was 1999, and general debauchery ensued.

The church couldn't handle that, so they moved Christs traditional date of birth celebration to December 25th. This was when the church celebrated "Christs mass" which was later shortened to Christmas.

Really, Christmas wasn't a huge holiday until America needed a reason to celebrate anything, and the United States started the whole thing into what it is today. Europeans never celebrated it in the manner or way that we do, even in Rome.

They Yule log, evergreen trees, mistletoe, etc were all part of the pagan tradition to celebrate the solstice. The church twisted their meanings to suit their needs.

So before people get all high and mighty about "it should be called Christmas because it always has been", they should really understand that it was a celebration long before Christ even existed, and was stolen by the church, just like All hallows eve was.

At any rate, its not Christmas officially until December 25th, so don't say it until the 24th or the 25th.
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Old 12-06-2010, 11:01 AM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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You should really research how Christmas got to be on December 21st.

The Catholic church didn't have a big thing about Christs birth. It was just like any other Sunday, really Easter was the bigger religious holiday.

But there was the pagan celebration of the winter solstice on or around December 21st. Europeans got drunk, partied like it was 1999, and general debauchery ensued.

The church couldn't handle that, so they moved Christs traditional date of birth celebration to December 25th. This was when the church celebrated "Christs mass" which was later shortened to Christmas.

Really, Christmas wasn't a huge holiday until America needed a reason to celebrate anything, and the United States started the whole thing into what it is today. Europeans never celebrated it in the manner or way that we do, even in Rome.

They Yule log, evergreen trees, mistletoe, etc were all part of the pagan tradition to celebrate the solstice. The church twisted their meanings to suit their needs.

So before people get all high and mighty about "it should be called Christmas because it always has been", they should really understand that it was a celebration long before Christ even existed, and was stolen by the church, just like All hallows eve was.

At any rate, its not Christmas officially until December 25th, so don't say it until the 24th or the 25th.
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they should really understand that it was a celebration long before Christ even existed, and was stolen by the church
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I think you mean the man Jesus. Christ has been around just a tad longer than the solstice. (See John 1.)

But who's splitting hairs anyway?
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Old 12-06-2010, 11:16 AM
 
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The question is are people trying to take Christ out of Christmas? People do care. People say Christ wasn't born on this day, which, is splitting hairs. This day weather you want to acknowledge it or NOT is the birth of Christ. If Dec. 25th is changed to Holiday, we have no Christmas, and we have taken Jesus out of our lives. The problem is the stores, they start celebrating Christmas at Halloween, the store shelves are getting all mixed up at once. To much commercialism of Christmas.

Once people start changing the meaning of Christmas, they will try to element the day all together. I hear people say the don't want to change it and in the same breathe the don't want others to use Merry Christmas, they talk with a forked tongue.

No one is trying to change the name of Ramadan or Hanukkah!!
its really not the birth of christ and the bible never says when his birth date really was it only tells of sheep being out in the fields when he was born and that couldnt have been in the dead of winter. also if people are celebrating it for christs birth then why do we have santa claus and reindeers and elves and all that crap? it has nothing to do with christ
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