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Old 12-08-2010, 04:35 PM
 
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And since "guzzling" is as you state a "pejorative" term; i.e., "belittling," "disparaging," "expressing disapproval," and in general "having negative connotations," per Merriam-Webster's Dictionary, then it follows that the ACLU, themself and you, yourself would agree that this book does not belong in the public school. (In case you missed the quote or link above, the ACLU's stance is that a "school may educate about all religions, but may NOT promote OR denigrate any religion.")
Oh, for crying out loud! I've read the book. It's not about religion. It's about low wage jobs. That is probably the only religious passage (if you can call it that) in the entire book. I think even the ACLU with their lawyerly penchant for rules would overlook that.
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Old 12-08-2010, 04:39 PM
 
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And describing Jesus Christ as a "wine guzzling socialist" is certainly teaching "respect" for those with a Christian belief, isn't it?
The teachings of Jesus definitely indicate he was of the socialist persuasion.

About the wine, Jesus did promote drinking of it both during the wedding in Canaan and at the last supper.
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Old 12-08-2010, 04:48 PM
 
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Oh, for crying out loud! I've read the book. It's not about religion. It's about low wage jobs. That is probably the only religious passage (if you can call it that) in the entire book. I think even the ACLU with their lawyerly penchant for rules would overlook that.
It is NOT the only negative reference to religion in the whole book (see another poster who reported she still recalled a negative portrayal of "church goers" as being cheap tippers. And even if calling Jesus Christ a wine guzzling socialist was the only passage, it alone is enough to warrant the book inappropriate for public schools. It is denigrating to some students' religion. Even the school in question will now inform parents in advance and offer an alternative book. I think eventually it will be removed altogether. After all, atheists have fought successfully to have even one sentence regarding Creationism removed from all school text books. Why should they have a problem with finding another book to replace one that talks about Jesus Christ?

Parents outraged over finance class reading - Tuesday, Dec. 7, 2010
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Old 12-08-2010, 04:52 PM
 
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The teachings of Jesus definitely indicate he was of the socialist persuasion.

About the wine, Jesus did promote drinking of it both during the wedding in Canaan and at the last supper.
Not the issue. The book denigrates Jesus Christ. ACLU says that's a "NO NO."

Statement on The Bible in Public Schools: A First Amendment Guide | American Civil Liberties Union
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Old 12-09-2010, 08:37 AM
 
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Well then I hope that you will finally agree that this book does not belong in the public school class.
I wouldn't say that.

I read far more controversial stuff in high school myself.


Should we ban Mein Kampf too?

Students should be exposed to controversy, otherwise they do not develop critical thinking skills and grow up to become Teabaggers.
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Old 12-09-2010, 11:06 AM
 
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Aren't many of those complaining about wine guzzler the same ones who call Mohamed a pedophile at every opportunity?
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