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View Poll Results: Should C-D posters be arrested for re-posting Wikileaks info?
Darn tootin'. Lock up the cyber terrorists. 15 15.15%
No way. Let freedom ring. 80 80.81%
Diggedy. Oh, still not sure. 4 4.04%
Voters: 99. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-07-2010, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Interesting question. Especially interesting is the dialog about downloading it and having it in your possession. What if one reads but does not download it, memorizes it, and can repeat it verbatim? Is this person a criminal?
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:30 PM
 
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Interesting question. Especially interesting is the dialog about downloading it and having it in your possession. What if one reads but does not download it, memorizes it, and can repeat it verbatim? Is this person a criminal?
Very similar to child pornograph laws in the country...

Its not the viewing thats illegal, its the possession of it. Where they get internet users is that when you view it, your computer makes a copy of that file which puts you in possession. I know http pages the computer makes copies of as well. I would assume the same is true for documents you read.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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Know who else attempted to control information in order to cow the public or keep them in the dark about shady dealings, which ultimately resulted in widespread destruction?

Nazi Party
Saddam's government
Kim Jong Il

Remember Tiananmen Square?

Those of you who want to keep your heads in the sand and pretend that our government doesn't need a serious change, go ahead and leave it there. But don't go poking it out every so often to grab a bullhorn to start shouting about how everyone needs to put their heads in the hole and asses up in the air for the government to violate anytime it wants just like you.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:43 PM
 
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Know who else attempted to control information in order to cow the public or keep them in the dark about shady dealings, which ultimately resulted in widespread destruction?

Nazi Party
Saddam's government
Kim Jong Il

Remember Tiananmen Square?

Those of you who want to keep your heads in the sand and pretend that our government doesn't need a serious change, go ahead and leave it there. But don't go poking it out every so often to grab a bullhorn to start shouting about how everyone needs to put their heads in the hole and asses up in the air for the government to violate anytime it wants just like you.
If you want these things to go public, that's fine, it makes for interesting reading, but do it LEGALLY! We can't excuse criminal behavior to expose other criminal behavior. This precedence, if not dealt with properly, will turn into a thieving firestorm. People will be out there looking to make stolen information publicly available because they know they can get away with it. It is a very slippery slope of precedence.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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Know who else attempted to control information in order to cow the public or keep them in the dark about shady dealings, which ultimately resulted in widespread destruction?

Nazi Party
Saddam's government
Kim Jong Il

Remember Tiananmen Square?

Those of you who want to keep your heads in the sand and pretend that our government doesn't need a serious change, go ahead and leave it there. But don't go poking it out every so often to grab a bullhorn to start shouting about how everyone needs to put their heads in the hole and asses up in the air for the government to violate anytime it wants just like you.
You know who else controls their information? Just about the entire European continent. Your point was again?
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:53 PM
 
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Interesting question. Especially interesting is the dialog about downloading it and having it in your possession. What if one reads but does not download it, memorizes it, and can repeat it verbatim? Is this person a criminal?
We're all criminals ... or potential criminals ... didn't you get the memo?

Not to worry ... for those not keeping up with their memo reading ... WalMart has agreed to help:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntCYi...layer_embedded

You all should have figured this out by now ... the government buys hundreds of body scanners ... have them sitting in warehouses ... and then, TA DA! Just like magic ... the underwear bomber appears .... no problem ... Homeland Security is on the job ... have no fear ... UNDERDOG IS HERE.

Mainstream media has been losing huge chunks of viewers who realize what propaganda they spew ... and those viewers are now seeking their news from the internet. So, here comes WIKILEAKS ... the perfect excuse to begin the lockdown and purge of information on the net.

And you people are actually debating the criminality of READING SOMETHING???

Wow ... yes ... you are a criminal ... all of you. "They" aren't interested in OSAMA BIN LADEN ... because he is their creation ... their boogie man to convince you to submit.

You are the real enemy of the state, not some Arab hiding in a cave ... you must join the police state ... you must distrust your neighbor ... you must call the authorities if you see someone acting suspicious ... you must DEMAND that this dangerous information be censored so that we can all be safe from that man hiding in a cave!! Don't even read it ... that too makes you a criminal ... possessing stolen information!!!!! The next step is the retroactive classification of ALL information the "government" doesn't like. That's what you want isn't it? ISN'T IT?

If this were a movie ... you'd want your money back .... but to many, they actually believe this nonsense. Drooling, dumbed down bud light drinking, WWF cheering ... Simpson's watching fools.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:56 PM
 
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If you want these things to go public, that's fine, it makes for interesting reading, but do it LEGALLY! We can't excuse criminal behavior to expose other criminal behavior. This precedence, if not dealt with properly, will turn into a thieving firestorm. People will be out there looking to make stolen information publicly available because they know they can get away with it. It is a very slippery slope of precedence.
Your argument falls apart when you realize that the government has set it up so that there IS no way to obtain these documents legally. The government just abuses its right to claim state secret on anything it wants, whether it belongs as one or not. When government becomes that corrupt, sometimes lawlessness is the only way to put an end to it.

You will recall that our founding fathers were all a bunch of "traitors" and "lawbreakers", as well...
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:58 PM
 
Location: SELA
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The same thought occurred to me while watching the CBS Evening News, whose reporter announced that Wikileaks was hosting a "blueprint for terrorists," and proceeded to announce the names of the allegedly critical installations that Wikileaks had identified. Yea, nothing wrong with releasing the information to ten million more people if it was so terroristic...
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:00 PM
 
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Your argument falls apart when you realize that the government has set it up so that there IS no way to obtain these documents legally. The government just abuses its right to claim state secret on anything it wants, whether it belongs as one or not. When government becomes that corrupt, sometimes lawlessness is the only way to put an end to it.

You will recall that our founding fathers were all a bunch of "traitors" and "lawbreakers", as well...
If things are off limits to the publicn then they are off limits. Thet does not in any way give you the right to steal it and make it public. That makes you a criminal.
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:01 PM
 
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If you want these things to go public, that's fine, it makes for interesting reading, but do it LEGALLY! We can't excuse criminal behavior to expose other criminal behavior. This precedence, if not dealt with properly, will turn into a thieving firestorm. People will be out there looking to make stolen information publicly available because they know they can get away with it. It is a very slippery slope of precedence.
THERE YOU HAVE IT ..... the criminalization of information ... possession ... reading, whatever .... Whistle Blower? LIFE IN PRISON FOR YOU!!!!

Talk about "setting a precedent" ... this sure does .... but not in the way you suggest.

Look folks ... go ahead and listen to SourD .... because if you don't ... we are all at risk of being exposed to the truth!!! And we just can't allow that, now can we? No-sir-ree ... we need to let the government decide what information we have access to .... because BIG BROTHER knows best, and it's all for our own good ... of course!!
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