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View Poll Results: Should C-D posters be arrested for re-posting Wikileaks info?
Darn tootin'. Lock up the cyber terrorists. 15 15.15%
No way. Let freedom ring. 80 80.81%
Diggedy. Oh, still not sure. 4 4.04%
Voters: 99. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-07-2010, 11:29 AM
 
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Government lies of omission and commission must be protected at all costs.

Without lies, what have we got?
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:31 AM
 
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And you think this is uncommon? Were you born yesterday? There is a reason the average Joe isn't allowed to see some things. They can't handle it like you can't.
You can't handle the lie!

Maybe they'll make a movie.
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:35 AM
 
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If someone robs a bank and then gives the money to you, and you take it know the money was illegally obtain, you are breaking the law.. The fact that it was given to you doesnt mean you shouldnt go to jail...

The OP has a very valid argument. Possession of stolen property is a crime if you knew it was stolen.. PERIOD.. It doesnt matter how the item was received, or why, or even if stealing it is good..it is still a crime..
Exactly PGH. I'm not talking about the contents of the docs, but HOW wikileaks obtained them. I'd be all for them going public if they were obtained LEGALLY. The slippery slope here is this entire thing, once a precedence is set that possessing stolen information is ok, then where does it stop? Can I have someone steal your company's secrets , give it to me and I make it public? Can I start to hack other country's government's networks to look for classified material? I don't want to hear that hacking is illegal to begin with, because if it is legal to have the information in my possession, then why make hacking illegal? They do that to protect the information right? Anyway, where does this stop if this is accepted?
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Lyons, France, Whidbey Island WA
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I can and enjoy handling it just fine thanks. And it's a good idea. People all over the world would get along just fine without these governments influence. Try that on.
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:35 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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There is a reason the average Joe isn't allowed to see some things. They can't handle it like you can't.
LOL....yes it is better we stay ignorant...the fedgov. knows best.

It has such a stellar record of telling the truth.
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:37 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Exactly PGH. I'm not talking about the contents of the docs, but HOW wikileaks obtained them. I'd be all for them going public if they were obtained LEGALLY. The slippery slope here is this entire thing, once a precedence is set that possessing stolen information is ok, then where does it stop? Can I have someone steal your company's secrets , give it to me and I make it public? Can I start to hack other country's government's networks to look for classified material? I don't want to hear that hacking is illegal to begin with, because if it is legal to have the information in my possession, then why make hacking illegal? They do that to protect the information right? Anyway, where does this stop if this is accepted?
Read up about the Pentagon Papers....
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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Government lies of omission and commission must be protected at all costs.

Without lies, what have we got?
No, it's rule of law. You want a lawless America? Let's say you have a very successful company. Can I have someone steal your company secrets, give it to me and I can publish them across the world? Would that be acceptable to you? Would it be legal to do so?
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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Lies, in and of themselves, have negative value.

Stealing a negative value leaves only a positive value.
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:38 AM
 
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LOL....yes it is better we stay ignorant...the fedgov. knows best.

It has such a stellar record of telling the truth.
There will always be things that you won't know about. Deal with it. It has always been like that.
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:39 AM
 
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here is a scenario for those who dont think this is a crime..

If a GS employee takes code from GS, its intellectual property and is considered theft..
Goldman employee 'stole' million dollar software codes | IT PRO

Now what if this employee had taken this code and then Investors Business daily gives out the code, are they immune from damages? Of course not..
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