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Old 12-08-2010, 11:15 AM
 
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Answer the question. I don't think you can, you got your back against the wall. Here's a hint: An economic theory is also a political theory in this case. It is all tied together. Now answer the question.
Wrong. Your question cannot be answered because it puts things together that shouldn't be put together. Hence, my suggestion that you study political and economic ideologies to enhance your understanding. Your question is like asking why Mars doesn't go round the sun. It's false presumptions to begin with.
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:23 AM
 
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you are correct about the quote, two quotes the 2nd one is from brzezinski..the first one was from lenin, not cuddy
and fascism is part of socialism which is part of marxism

lenin also said this...."A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie"

"Gun registration is not enough" Janet Reno

"National Socialism will use its own revolution for establishing a new world order." ...hitler

"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees." bill clinton



H.G. Wells was of the greatest influences on the progressive mind in the twentieth century (and, it turns out, the inspiration for Huxley's Brave New World). Wells didn't coin the phrase as an indictment, but as a badge of honor. Progressives must become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis," he told the Young Liberals at Oxford in a speech in July 1932.
Once again, the quote I highlighted was not from Brzezinski, nor was it from Lenin. It was from Cuddy.

Second, your comments about guns are beside the point. Excellent attempt at misdirection.

Third, Hitler's comments about the National Socialist party have nothing to do with socialism, because Hitler purged the party of socialists as he assumed control of that party, focusing on NATIONALISM instead. And nationalism is a right-wing philosophy, not a left-wing philosophy. Why people bog themselves down in what political parties call themselves, rather than the agendas the political parties have, is beyond me. Are the Republicans in the United States opposed to democracy? One wouldn't think so, given the many times the hawks in the Republican party defend aggression under the guise of "spreading democracy". And yet they are the opposition party to the Democrats. Are the Democrats opposed to republicanism? One wouldn't think so, given their commitment to the representative form of government we have. Go beyond the name, to what the National Socialists really, and aggressively, promoted. They were pro-business, anti-union. They were pro-nationalist, anti-foreigners. They were anti-Semitic. They were not left-wing at all.
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:24 AM
 
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Please do some more homework, you are lacking in facts as usual. Hitler and Stalin hatched a plan to split Europe in 2 and each would rule over that half. They ended up fighting each other over power and narcissism. That is proven history. Why do you Progressives keep trying to change history?
Oh, baby. I'm not the one trying to change history.
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:31 AM
 
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simple things like 'nationalizing' corporations, removing the guns from the people,,blame the jews (or the modern version 'the zionists'),,duty of the state(government) to PROVIDE for the people,,division of profits (redistribution of wealth), nationalized health care, ,,,, DO THESE SOUND FAMILIAR, YES THE ARE THE TALKING POINTS OF THE DNC AND MOVEON.ORG....THEY ARE ALSO PART OF HITLERS 25 POINTS
Nationalism is inherently a right-wing philosophy. Hitler was a Nationalist. Therefore Hitler and his fascist government was right-wing. It's simple. Hitler's economic policy wasn't about the state assuming ownership of the nation's corporations, it was about the state passing laws and enforcing policies that would allow for unfettered corporate growth. He believed that a strong economy equalled a strong country, and that a strong economy meant strong corporate power. Which is why he was opposed to unions and any laws that restricted corporate power. Which is why so many large corporations were so accomodating to Hitler. They weren't worried about his "nationalizing" corporations, because in the fascist sense, "nationalizing" corporations really means "corporatizing" government.
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:31 AM
 
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Once again, the quote I highlighted was not from Brzezinski, nor was it from Lenin. It was from Cuddy.

Second, your comments about guns are beside the point. Excellent attempt at misdirection.

Third, Hitler's comments about the National Socialist party have nothing to do with socialism, because Hitler purged the party of socialists as he assumed control of that party, focusing on NATIONALISM instead. And nationalism is a right-wing philosophy, not a left-wing philosophy. Why people bog themselves down in what political parties call themselves, rather than the agendas the political parties have, is beyond me. Are the Republicans in the United States opposed to democracy? One wouldn't think so, given the many times the hawks in the Republican party defend aggression under the guise of "spreading democracy". And yet they are the opposition party to the Democrats. Are the Democrats opposed to republicanism? One wouldn't think so, given their commitment to the representative form of government we have. Go beyond the name, to what the National Socialists really, and aggressively, promoted. They were pro-business, anti-union. They were pro-nationalist, anti-foreigners. They were anti-Semitic. They were not left-wing at all.
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:32 AM
 
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Oh, baby. I'm not the one trying to change history.
Got that right. It's pretty easy to spot those who read a history book, and those that got there info from Beck university
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:41 AM
 
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Well, let's look at the original 3 page article from December 3, shall we?

"The financial mess that spendthrift states have gotten themselves into is well known. California—recently dubbed the “Lindsay Lohan of states” in the Wall Street Journal—has a deficit that could reach $25.4 billion next year, and Illinois’s deficit for the 2011 fiscal year may be in the neighborhood of $15 billion. There is little evidence that either state has a recipe for bringing down its runaway expenses, a large portion of which are wages and benefits owed to public employees. This means we can expect a major push for federal funds to prop up insolvent state governments in 2011, unless some miraculous alternative emerges to save the day. This is where bankruptcy comes in."

Give States a Way to Go Bankrupt | The Weekly Standard

The unions would face a much harsher action as a result of bankruptcy and it could force them back to the table with their governors to avoid it.
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:51 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Well, let's look at the original 3 page article from December 3, shall we?

"The financial mess that spendthrift states have gotten themselves into is well known. California—recently dubbed the “Lindsay Lohan of states” in the Wall Street Journal—has a deficit that could reach $25.4 billion next year, and Illinois’s deficit for the 2011 fiscal year may be in the neighborhood of $15 billion. There is little evidence that either state has a recipe for bringing down its runaway expenses, a large portion of which are wages and benefits owed to public employees. This means we can expect a major push for federal funds to prop up insolvent state governments in 2011, unless some miraculous alternative emerges to save the day. This is where bankruptcy comes in."

Give States a Way to Go Bankrupt | The Weekly Standard

The unions would face a much harsher action as a result of bankruptcy and it could force them back to the table with their governors to avoid it.
Deals usually come at some kind of cost... any chance the Feds will use the bail outs as a way to usurp what ever is left of States rights?
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:55 AM
 
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Wrong. Your question cannot be answered because it puts things together that shouldn't be put together. Hence, my suggestion that you study political and economic ideologies to enhance your understanding. Your question is like asking why Mars doesn't go round the sun. It's false presumptions to begin with.
Have fun on my ignore list. You just argue everything for the sake of it. You couldn't even answer a simple question because you can't fit it into that BS box you made up. Have fun lying to people.
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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Obama implemented his plan to bankrupt the states through the passage of Obamacare via forcing the states to add tens of thousands to the rolls of Medicaid who did not previously qualify.

Therefore, the premise of this thread is yet another "Blame Bush/GOP" failure.
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