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Old 12-15-2010, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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First we need to realize we are following a fictional economic concept called "Free Trade" in a world full of pragmatic Mercantilists protecting their home markets with innumerable financial and cultural trade barriers. We need to level the playing ground by returning the favor. We really do not need to import, except for oil, electricity and a few strategic minerals, anything from China or anywhere else. We can grow our own food, grow our own fiber, produce our own metals and make our own cloths. ALL of these should be operating behind protective tariffs in state of the art factories staffed by unionized employees.

We will still be able to export our tractors, excavators, electronics and weapons. We will always be able to sell weapons as we do make the best.

Unfortunately the powers that control our economy as well as our politicians do not have our best interests in mind. They are only concerned with their ability to hollow out economy and destroy American prosperity for their own profit and exclusivity. These people, some of them American citizens, are not patriots; they only answer to their world’s god of greed.

We could free ourselves from the post political enslavement to these people but it will take a very strong willed politician that can campaign without taking the bribes and who places the prosperity of the American people ahead of international profiteers. Let me know when one becomes available.
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Old 12-15-2010, 07:14 AM
 
Location: The Midst of Insanity
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Ummm...details please?
From what I understand, many of the restrooms in China have squatting toilets without TP and the sink areas are communal.

I agree with what others are saying about jobs not coming back, and Cyrano's post really hits it on the head.
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Old 12-15-2010, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I haven't read the article, but based on the first three posts of this thread it sounds like another attempt by the media to confuse the sheeple. Certainly some jobs have been lost to technology--but the overwhelming bulk has been lost to foreign outsourcing, H-1B and L-1 visas, and mass immigration. The jobs that technological advancement should have created to replace the lost jobs went to people in other countries, instead.


Bingo!

Tossing out the illegals, ending guest worker programs and slowing legal immigration to a trickle are the first steps to reducing unemployment.
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Old 12-15-2010, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Add protective tariffs to support manufacturing and I agree with you.
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Old 12-15-2010, 09:59 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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None taken your a friend. I just do not think people understand it is going to get worse. Most people are like your parents they think things will improve. Most boomers will never retire they are broke. Many counted on their house to bail them out. Most jobs in the future will be part time temp contractors no benefits. My Mom is a nurse I see alot more part time and PRN jobs just so they do not have to offer benefits.
As so many other posters who hit the nail on the head, so much truth to what you have stated. So many Baby Boomers, did count on their home to help them with retirement, so many had their homes paid off. But with home values decreasing so drastically, this is not a option, for so many who do not own their home outright. The values that were once their for homes, have disminished, this is one of the worse housing criris ever and hate to say it getting worse. So many people have lost their jobs, and their homes, this is not delusional, this is fact.
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Old 12-15-2010, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Jobs going obsolete is the story of the last 300 years really. Nearly every obsolete job that goes saves somebody money or time somewhere, which they'll want to spend on something, creating new jobs somewhere else. Just think of computers making stenographers obsolete yet how many new jobs in IT have been created? Automation is pretty soulless and nobody likes to see their job made redundant, but it's still the way forward.
I wonder, if we asked our grandkids about taking shorthand in school if they would have even a clue what we were talking about?

Nita
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I have no idea what I would do if I were just graduating from high school. What would you do if you could not afford a college education?
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I have no idea what I would do if I were just graduating from high school. What would you do if you could not afford a college education?
I would look to a job where you physically have to be there to work on it.
That's about all that is left that can't be offshored.
If you don't have to touch it then that job can be offshored.

The white collar "brain" jobs are getting fewer and fewer here in the US.
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Old 12-15-2010, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Yorkshire, England
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I wonder, if we asked our grandkids about taking shorthand in school if they would have even a clue what we were talking about?

Nita
I'm only 24 myself. What are you talking about?
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Old 12-15-2010, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Texas
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First we need to realize we are following a fictional economic concept called "Free Trade" in a world full of pragmatic Mercantilists protecting their home markets with innumerable financial and cultural trade barriers. We need to level the playing ground by returning the favor. We really do not need to import, except for oil, electricity and a few strategic minerals, anything from China or anywhere else. We can grow our own food, grow our own fiber, produce our own metals and make our own cloths. ALL of these should be operating behind protective tariffs in state of the art factories staffed by unionized employees.

We will still be able to export our tractors, excavators, electronics and weapons. We will always be able to sell weapons as we do make the best.

Unfortunately the powers that control our economy as well as our politicians do not have our best interests in mind. They are only concerned with their ability to hollow out economy and destroy American prosperity for their own profit and exclusivity. These people, some of them American citizens, are not patriots; they only answer to their world’s god of greed.

We could free ourselves from the post political enslavement to these people but it will take a very strong willed politician that can campaign without taking the bribes and who places the prosperity of the American people ahead of international profiteers. Let me know when one becomes available.
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Add protective tariffs to support manufacturing and I agree with you.
There is one basic Huge problem with any of this. Who is willing to pay $3000 for a computer, $1500 for a color TV set, $3 for a pair of socks, or $250 for a basic tire?
Imports not only cost less, they force the prices of domestic products down as well.
Ask someone who remembers $50 used BW TVs (in 1965 $ >a weeks salary on minimum wage!) car tires for a weeks labor each, or cheap blue jeans that cost a days pay.
Sounds like a plan for riots in the streets.
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