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View Poll Results: I willingly, intentionally, and knowingly embrace slavery to the collective.
Yes, I love Big Brother 13 20.63%
No, I despise collectivist thieves and slavers 50 79.37%
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Old 06-10-2010, 05:58 PM
 
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People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America

In case you were not informed by the propaganda ministry, you are witnessing the advent of the PDSRA, rising from the ashes of the USSA (United Socialist States of America).

You may have thought you were a left wing "progressive" liberal or a right wing "traditional" conservative, but in fact, you were both wings of the same vulture.

Since 1935, the USA has been a socialist nation... by consent. There is NO LAW compelling participation in FICA / Social Security, despite millions believing otherwise. There is NO LAW punishing any American who does not participate, yet private sector employers are unwilling to hire Americans who do not have "the number". In short, if you have "the number", you're a willing socialist - by their records.

The socialist coup was not fully implemented, in 1935, for fear of the adverse reaction. But now, after three generations, they are confident that the average "educated" American has absolutely no ability to reason nor obstruct their transformation of America. No recipient of public charity or pension will bite the hand that feeds him. No burdened tax payer knows the truth that he is his own worst enemy.

The irony is that the current economic and political chaos is blamed on "capitalism" by the left, when in fact, "capitalism" was killed off in 1935.

(No, stock corporations and bankers, who engage in usury, which like to call themselves "capitalists", are not part of capitalism, as defined. In fact, they prey upon capitalism.)

Capitalist Principles
CAPITALISM - An economic system in which the means of production, distribution and exchange are privately owned and operated for private profit.
- - - WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY

PRIVATE PROPERTY - "As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217
If you concatenate capitalism with private property, you can see the "inconvenient truth".

Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production, distribution and exchange are absolutely owned by individuals and operated for their individual profit.

Capitalism is in harmony with the governments created under the auspices of the Declaration of Independence, 1776, Statute #1 of the Statutes at Large of the United States of America.
" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
Translation:
1. Men are created equal - before the law that protects rights - and there are no privileged classes.
2. Men are endowed by their Creator with rights to life, liberty and private property ownership.
3. Governments, in America, are instituted to (a) secure rights, and (b) govern those who consent.
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In case you forgot Marxism 101:
COMMUNISM - the ownership of property, or means of production, distribution and supply, by the whole of a classless society, with wealth shared on the principle of 'to each according to his need', each yielding fully 'according to his ability'.
- - - Webster's Dictionary.

SOCIALISM - A political and economic theory advocating collective ownership of the means of production and control of distribution. It is based upon the belief that all, while contributing to the good of the community, are equally entitled to the care and protection which the community can provide.
--- Webster's dictionary
Socialism and communism = COLLECTIVE ownership.

From the Communist manifesto:
"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
But American law protects private property
Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Communism, Socialism, and Marxism abolish private property ownership and replaces it with collective ownership, with the superior rights in the State.

America's republican form of government cannot co-exist with collectivism.
“PRIVATE PROPERTY – As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels.”
– - – Black’s Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217

“OWNERSHIP – … Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it… The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted. ”
– - -Black’s Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106
In American law, individual absolute ownership is recognized as one of the inalienable rights protected by government.... until surrendered.
Since the vast majority of Americans have voluntarily surrendered their birthright to absolutely own private property, failure to comply with socialist taxes and regulations often results in confiscation of their property without just compensation being paid. That is prima facie evidence that no enumerated American owns private property.
Welcome to the collective, Comrade.

This is not a sudden transformation.
Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Political parties, such as the Progressive Party, organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Lyndon Baines Johnson and current President Barack Obama.

Progressives are in agreement on an international scale with left-liberalism in that they support organized labor and trade unions, they usually wish to introduce a living wage, and they often support the creation of a universal health care system.

Progressivism = compulsory labor for the benefit of another, i.e., slavery.
Progressivism = expropriation of property rights, by coercion of unions and government levies, i.e, thievery.
Progressivism = Socialism = Communism = Collectivism = Piracy ashore

Coincidentally, all these 'progressive' presidents and congresses opposed the private property rights of the people, and supported government expansion and control - over infrastructure, land, services and resources... And want to TAX TO DEATH the American people - for our own good.

(While taking a hefty cut for their magnanimous and enlightened leadership...)

In case you are still persuaded to believe that individual ownership is bad, and collective ownership is good, let us consider this:

"No one should suffer for lack of {fill in the blank}", must be prefaced with "No one should be compelled to labor for the benefit of another, so that...."

Slavery is never an acceptable solution to the ills of mankind.

Voluntary charity is a blessing.
Compulsory charity is a curse.

Just say "NO" to collectivism, or say "YES" to indentured servitude for yourself and your progeny.
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Old 06-10-2010, 06:09 PM
 
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Old 06-10-2010, 06:12 PM
 
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Where have you been getting your information? There is no private property? Wander on to Bill Gates' property and see how long you last after someone arrests you for trespassing. FICA voluntary: true, there are folks who work off the books and don't pay any, but they are violating the law. You have also conveniently ignored the fact that top income tax rates are lower now than in the 1950's. Go ahead, refuse to pay income or FICA tax. But don't expect any of us to visit you in jail.
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Old 06-10-2010, 06:12 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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YouTube - Those were the days
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Old 06-10-2010, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Where have you been getting your information? There is no private property? Wander on to Bill Gates' property and see how long you last after someone arrests you for trespassing. FICA voluntary: true, there are folks who work off the books and don't pay any, but they are violating the law. You have also conveniently ignored the fact that top income tax rates are lower now than in the 1950's. Go ahead, refuse to pay income or FICA tax. But don't expect any of us to visit you in jail.
Where does one get information on law?
Easy - go to your county courthouse law library and look it up.
Don't believe me - read the law for yourself. (Brace yourself - you will be shocked to learn the truth.)

Income taxes? I haven't been a "person liable" since 1993, when I withdrew consent to participate in national socialism and ceased engaging in usury.

To the best of my knowledge, all state constitutions explicitly protect private property. And if you will note, no state constitution lists "private property" as liable for taxation. They do state "real and personal property", which is not private property, by legal definition.

If you can find any law that explicitly states that there is a tax levied on PRIVATE PROPERTY, please present it.

And trespass is not restricted to private property . . . one can trespass upon public property, as well as estate (held with qualified ownership).

More info:
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Old 06-10-2010, 06:44 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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and i thought you and your "we must Electrify every Railway / Transitway" was off , this takes more of the cake....
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Old 06-10-2010, 06:45 PM
 
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This is not a sudden transformation.
Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Political parties, such as the Progressive Party, organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Lyndon Baines Johnson and current President Barack Obama.

Progressives are in agreement on an international scale with left-liberalism in that they support organized labor and trade unions, they usually wish to introduce a living wage, and they often support the creation of a universal health care system.

Progressivism = compulsory labor for the benefit of another, i.e., slavery.
Where in "they support organized labor and trade unions, they usually wish to introduce a living wage, and they often support the creation of a universal health care system." is there compulsory labor?

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Progressivism = expropriation of property rights, by coercion of unions and government levies, i.e, thievery.
You're oblivious if you think only "progressive" politicians expropriate property rights. In fact it was the republican presidents (Nixon, Reagan, Bush) who really brought us stealing from drug users, for example. And why didn't they end these progressive programs since 1935?

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Progressivism = Socialism = Communism = Collectivism = Piracy ashore
Your ignorance is showing. These are not the same thing.

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Coincidentally, all these 'progressive' presidents and congresses opposed the private property rights of the people, and supported government expansion and control - over infrastructure, land, services and resources... And want to TAX TO DEATH the American people - for our own good.
Who is dying from taxes?

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(While taking a hefty cut for their magnanimous and enlightened leadership...)

In case you are still persuaded to believe that individual ownership is bad, and collective ownership is good, let us consider this:

"No one should suffer for lack of {fill in the blank}", must be prefaced with "No one should be compelled to labor for the benefit of another, so that...."

Slavery is never an acceptable solution to the ills of mankind.

Voluntary charity is a blessing.
Compulsory charity is a curse.

Just say "NO" to collectivism, or say "YES" to indentured servitude for yourself and your progeny.
You fail by thinking that any form of tax is slavery.
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Old 06-10-2010, 07:39 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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hogwash. So what if we're not a 100% pure capitalist society? We shouldn't be.
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Old 06-10-2010, 07:41 PM
 
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Yes..I love big brother.....
(monotone, eyes staring straight ahead)
Big Brother gives me graham crackers and milk
Big brother reads my mail
Big brother takes my candy money
Big brother gives me a nice white uniform
Big Brother gives me heavy downers
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Old 06-10-2010, 07:51 PM
 
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Where in "they support organized labor and trade unions, they usually wish to introduce a living wage, and they often support the creation of a universal health care system." is there compulsory labor?
Who is obligated to pay for a universal health care system?
No one?
Or everyone?
If everyone, then there is compulsion.


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You're oblivious if you think only "progressive" politicians expropriate property rights. In fact it was the republican presidents (Nixon, Reagan, Bush) who really brought us stealing from drug users, for example. And why didn't they end these progressive programs since 1935?
You jump to the wrong conclusion if you think any politician since 1935 was "right wing" / "conservative". That disinformation is shared by many. Even Senator Joe (anti-commie) McCarthy never attempted to repeal any laws that enacted all ten planks of the communist manifesto... including the "progressive" income tax. In essence, Congress is the most Communist organization in the USA, notwithstanding the Communist Party USA.

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Your ignorance is showing. These are not the same thing.
Show me where communism, socialism, or collectivism is NOT opposed to individual and absolute ownership of land, houses, tools, labor and chattels.

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Who is dying from taxes?
Pardon the hyperbole, but spending most of one's working life in support of "other people" is pretty much "dying" from taxes. It certainly isn't "living large".
If you are compelled to "share your wealth", you're a slave.


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You fail by thinking that any form of tax is slavery.
Your conclusion is not supported by the facts, nor is your rebuttal cogent.

In American law, governments are delegated power to secure rights - not deny rights. Ergo, it has been long established that NO RIGHT is subject to taxation. I repeat NO RIGHT can be taxed.

However, since 1935, the "right to work", "right to own", "right to travel" and a host of other rights became subject to taxation, regulation and restriction.

Of course, it was "by consent" - hidden in the fine print - but to the average American, it was by threat, duress, and coercion. This fraud was necessary, for no American in their right mind would knowingly surrender that precious birthright of sovereignty, freedom and independence, that the founding generation fought and died to bestow upon us.

Which goes to show that collectivists / socialists / communists / progressives are liars, thieves, and scoundrels.
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