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Old 07-14-2007, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Debary, Florida
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Originally Posted by KoZmiC NinJa View Post
Civilized countries get along just fine without SUV's.
Only in a country where developers determine transportion
issues as opposed to legitimate govt. agencies would what is
being discussed here even be an issue.
Personally I get angry because I ride a bicycle for transportation
and get no tax credits like a guy in Prius does.

So are you saying that the UK isn't civilized? They drive Rovers there...you will find a Rover in Africa, Austrailia, New Zealand, I could go on but you get the idea...or is the Rover acceptable to you?

If so then whats the difference in a Rover and an Expedition?

Like I said, I drive an Expedition and will continue to do so...DEAL WITH IT !!!!
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Old 07-14-2007, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Originally Posted by KoZmiC NinJa View Post
Civilized countries get along just fine without SUV's.
Only in a country where developers determine transportion
issues as opposed to legitimate govt. agencies would what is
being discussed here even be an issue.
Personally I get angry because I ride a bicycle for transportation
and get no tax credits like a guy in Prius does.
But your cardiovascular system gets a big credit.
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Old 07-14-2007, 09:02 PM
 
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of course, KozmicNinja rides his bicycle on public roads paid for by the taxes on others.

Why should he get a tax credit when he hasn't contributed to the system he uses?

The other side of this is when all the bike paths are paid for by everyone through property taxes or bond issues ... and there's a lot of those tax payers who will never use that path system. So, they're paying for something they'll never use.

Or, is there a "bicycle tax" to help fund the bike paths where you live and commute, Kozmic?
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Old 07-14-2007, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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Maybe they could put up toll booths on the bike path?
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Old 07-14-2007, 10:56 PM
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of course, KozmicNinja rides his bicycle on public roads paid for by the taxes on others.
I ride a bicycle too, and believe me,I pay plenty of taxes, many of which I'm sure go to roads (not that I have a problem with that, I've been known to ride the bus too, and occasionally rent a car, and it has to have something to drive down .
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Old 07-15-2007, 01:50 AM
 
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of course, KozmicNinja rides his bicycle on public roads paid for by the taxes on others.

Why should he get a tax credit when he hasn't contributed to the system he uses?

Are you kidding ?
Do even know the first thing about Government and taxes ?
Can you show me any laws or writs that officially declare
car / SUV drivers owners of the road system ?
And yes, I own a 6 year old car and pay taxs an insurance on it while
it sits in a driveway to be used 5 or six times a year for interstate
travel.
On an issue of morals, no ones kids or Mom or Dads are dying
in some ratty foriegn country to fuel my selfish overindulgences.
Its sadly hilarious when I see a Canyonero with a yellow ribbon/support
our troops magnet or American Flag on the back.

www.myspace.com/rbuch <-----------Click here (make sure your sound is on)

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Old 07-15-2007, 04:43 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, Missouri
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Originally Posted by KoZmiC NinJa View Post
Are you kidding ?
Do even know the first thing about Government and taxes ?
Can you show me any laws or writs that officially declare
car / SUV drivers owners of the road system ?
And yes, I own a 6 year old car and pay taxs an insurance on it while
it sits in a driveway to be used 5 or six times a year for interstate
travel.
On an issue of morals, no ones kids or Mom or Dads are dying
in some ratty foriegn country to fuel my selfish overindulgences.
Its sadly hilarious when I see a Canyonero with a yellow ribbon/support
our troops magnet or American Flag on the back.

www.myspace.com/rbuch <-----------Click here (make sure your sound is on)
Amen, brother...considering all that money we spend goes into the pockets of nations that aren't that friendly to us and are hotbeds for terrorism (sometimes state sponsored).

But I know that some people want, want, want...the big house, the big SUV, etc....so, I guess each person has to make the choice for themselves and live with it.
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Old 07-15-2007, 09:41 AM
 
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Kozmic ... yes, I sure do know how the highway and roads system is funded.

Apparently you don't, ... so I'll tell you:

The funding comes from FUEL taxes paid to the states and the federal government on per gallon fuel sales for the highway and road trust funds.

Sometimes, it's paid for by a TOLL on a road; everytime I've stopped to pay a ROAD TOLL (that's a user tax, Kozmic, very specific to the road it's on) to drive my vehicle on that road, they bicycles zip on by WITHOUT paying anything!!!! They cross bridges without paying a TOLL like I do, too.

It's not paid for by property or ownership taxes or registration fees on your vehicle.

It's not paid for by your income taxes.

It's not paid for by the sales taxes on your bicycle.

It's paid for by FUEL TAXES, collected on per gallon sales of FUEL.

If you only drive your car a few times per year, then you're not paying your fair share to help support/support/construct the roads you use for your bicycle!!!

And, you're still expecting everybody else to pay for the dedicated bike paths you use, even though they may not use them. Those are typically funded by property taxes, so we all get to pay for them disproportionately to our actual useage.

Indeed, the public roadway system is owned by all of us. But some get to pay a heck of a lot more for their use than others.

You should be thankful that there are others out there willing to pay for the roads so that you may enjoy and have the benefits of the roadway and bikepaths.
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Old 07-15-2007, 10:03 AM
 
Location: In an illegal immigrant free part of the country.
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I love my suburban. Not only is it big enough to pull a trailer, I have a fighting chance against a deer in the road. We go through a tank of gas about every two to three months. Everything is within walking distance and we would look foolish driving to the store a block away.
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Old 03-18-2009, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Roseburg, Oregon
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i own 2 suburbans, one with a hotrod 454 in it. its the only way i can transport 4 horses at one time. oh i also live 30 miles out in a remote area, all gravel road. just dont think a prius could handle the abuse. let alone haul 250 gallons of water, 200 hundered pounds of feed, and protect me from those dangerous jack rabbits
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