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Old 12-13-2010, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Northeast
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Russia may be preparing for the collapse of the US. They understand that even superpowers can fall when stretched too far. Plus we are following in their footsteps. The USSR's last stand was in Afghanistan after all.
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Old 12-13-2010, 10:26 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I wouldn't dismiss the threat to us quite so lightly just yet. IF reports of Iranian missles coming to Venezuela are correct (and I suspect they are), never forget that Iran does have missles which will reach us and has access to even longer range ones through their dealings with North Korea and Russia, neither of which are our friends. Just because reports only mention shorter range missles doesn't mean we might not wake up one morning and find better ones in place.
Well, but the US is much farther away, so there is a much broader time window for intercepting anything that might come north. I assume the US has some defense systems oriented in that direction, not just towards Russia and China
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Old 12-13-2010, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Shrug. How did all those anti-aircraft missiles work out for Saddam? I believe his were also of Russian manufacture. Let Chavez waste his money defending against a threat that does not exist.
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:33 PM
 
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I wouldn't dismiss the threat to us quite so lightly just yet. IF reports of Iranian missles coming to Venezuela are correct (and I suspect they are), never forget that Iran does have missles which will reach us and has access to even longer range ones through their dealings with North Korea and Russia, neither of which are our friends. Just because reports only mention shorter range missles doesn't mean we might not wake up one morning and find better ones in place.
Yes, the Iranian nuts now have ballistic missiles that have Europe in range from Iran. Those same missiles can go from Venezuela to the US.

According to the DOD, Iran will have ICBM's (nuclear capable) by 2015, meaning the US will be in range of missiles fired from Iran.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Well, but the US is much farther away, so there is a much broader time window for intercepting anything that might come north. I assume the US has some defense systems oriented in that direction, not just towards Russia and China

Why would you assume that? We don't HAVE an interceptor capability from ANY direction except Patriot batteries stationed at some CONUS posts and whatever ships happen to be on the horizon. Even then, the capabilities are extremely limited, even with forewarning.
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Old 12-14-2010, 06:04 AM
 
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And yet left leaners expect us to sigh that START treaty which will make them the winners. I just can't understand how people in this country can continue to want our government to give in to Russia time after time.
Yes, the United States, the WORLDS LARGEST ARMS DEALER hates competition. Anti-aircraft missiles, like this would stop us from invading or attacking if we wanted?

I'd suggest we go to war right now but sadly, every pro-war gutless keyboard commando rambo with a bum knee is sitting on a forum telling everyone else how they should go over there to fight.

What exactly does this have to do with the conditions of the START treaty anyway? Are the Ruski's going to attack, is this 1950's McCarthy era booga booga red menace garbage again?
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Old 12-15-2010, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Central NJ
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I think a good question is has he resold any?
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Old 12-15-2010, 09:42 AM
 
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Venezuela's business. Why in the hell should any American care about what Venezuela, and by extension, Chavez, does with their own money? Last i remember, it's a sovereign nation. Must we stick our noses in everybodys business?
No, go ahead and stick your head back into the sand. Don't pay attention to what is going on around the world. Meditate and drown out the real world by singing kumbya very loudly.
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Old 12-15-2010, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Venezuela could use them to protect themselves from CIA operated FARC operations in Columbia.

Concerning Iranian weaponry they do not need a nuclear capacity except to provide a means of effectively retaliating against a US attack and invasion. Since WW2 this country has NOT invaded any country with nuclear weapons. Frustratingly for our warmongers MAD actually works. We are deterred from invading these countries. That is a good thing.

I think we would be taking on a much more difficult war if we attack/invade Iran. I believe they now, using terminally guided missiles, have the ability to eliminate the US Navy from the Indian Ocean to the Eastern Mediterranean Sea. All our war ships in the Persian Gulf would be lost early in any conflict. I suggest we leave this sleeping tiger alone.

IMHO the continuing existence of the Likkud Party in Israel or the Saudi Royals is not worth our attacking Iran. I see no gain in getting involved on either side of the inevitable factional religious war between the Shia and Sunni branches of Islam.
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Old 12-15-2010, 09:44 AM
 
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..........What exactly does this have to do with the conditions of the START treaty anyway? Are the Ruski's going to attack, is this 1950's McCarthy era booga booga red menace garbage again?
You can dislike McCarthy but history has proven he was absolutely correct about Communists in the US Government.

Do you not see a potential problem with Dictator Chavez arming up given the sentiments he's expressed against the US?
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