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Old 12-16-2010, 02:32 PM
 
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I view this in the same manner I would a telephone call.. Can they just listen to what you are saying? No, why not? After all, if you have nothing to hide, then surely your telephone conversations should be listed to right? There is no grey zone for telephone conversations.. There are steps they need to go through to listen to your calls, and steps they need to go through to get bank records etc. Those steps should be similar for internet activities.. There should be some type of evidence you are breaking the law before they should be able to just do whatever they want..
I have no idea about this, but I would say that the evidence needed that you are potentially breaking the law, for monitoring by any means, could be very slim evidence indeed. I dont agree or disagree with that reality, at this point.
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:36 PM
 
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I agree.

Over the past 50 years the internet has proven that it needs regulation.

I honestly don't understand how anyone can argue that it doesn't.
Fifty years? You had access to the internet in 1960, I'm jealous I guess Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) which was government owned really needed to regulate itself back in the day of Eisenhower

What is it you exactly want to regulate?
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The Patriot Act gave much leeway for the government to gather data and allows them to bypass the normal procedures once they say "national security".

As the fear of terrorism grows so will the government's reach for control.
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:37 PM
 
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Its the internet. Monitoring of all sorts has been going on long before we all started discussing it here. I dont have a general problem with that.
I have a problem with every post you have made on the
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:41 PM
 
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I have a problem with every post you have made on the
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And thats your god given American right to express that. And it is my undeniable right to not care at all what your problem is.
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:46 PM
 
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Default What exactly do I want to regulate?

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Fifty years? You had access to the internet in 1960, I'm jealous I guess Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) which was government owned really needed to regulate itself back in the day of Eisenhower

What is it you exactly want to regulate?
It's been quite a long time since I took Introduction to Computers in college but it seems to me that the internet had it's beginnings in the late 60's.
I also seem to remember that it was originally the government who used the internet to communicate in those early years...

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Old 12-16-2010, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Some stuff is necessary to regulate. Although I believe this would have been done anyway by private companies such as Yahoo, Microsoft, Google. Gmail is still relatively new and their spam bot is sick. Look at the technology behind spam enforcement, the govt had nothing to do with that. In fact, I don't think CAN-Spam had much of an effect as I still get tons of spam from foreign email accounts, except now the private companies have better spam blockers. It was google/msoft/yahoo/symantec/mcafee that solved our spam problems, not the CAN_SPAM. Now when is the govt going to can the stacks of spam mail I get to my physical mail box ?? Or would that cause loss of revenue for USPS?
I didn't say that it did any good. In fact, I was in the ISP biz when they passed it, and it was a complete f'ing joke in the industry. I was just pointing out to the OP that regulation of certain aspects of the 'net is nothing new.
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Old 12-16-2010, 03:24 PM
 
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How can anyone say the internet needs no regulation? Because there is no regulation there are all kinds of illegal activities thriving in its darkness...

Hackers have compromised businesses who deal in our personal information. They have ruined lives and have even shared top secret government information.

Identity theft is a huge problem in our country and the internet has opened many doors for these criminals. Phishing emails are just one of the ways that these people invade your privacy and compromise your safety.

I am not a fan of any kind of pornography. Porn spammers should be identified and stopped. They are no different than the people who make annoying, unwanted marketing calls except that they do it on the internet and there are no rules that prohibit them from sending you their unwanted trash.

Pedophiles and all of those involved in selling child pornography should be stopped. These people are the worst kinds of criminals.
Please, find them and stop them by any means necessary.

The people who spread malicious viruses and malware should be caught and prosecuted. It's not just a fun prank.

Scammers who use the internet to run all kinds of illegal schemes need to be stopped.

People who use the internet to sell counterfeit drugs and counterfeit everything else should be stopped.

The people who invade your privacy and, or, harm you via the internet are no different than the ones who invade your bricks and mortar home.
They cause real harm and they need to be stopped. The way that happens is through regulation.

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Old 12-16-2010, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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How can anyone say the internet needs no regulation? Because there is no regulation there are all kinds of illegal activities thriving in its darkness...

Hackers have compromised businesses who deal in our personal information. They have ruined lives and have even shared top secret government information.

Identity theft is a huge problem in our country and the internet has opened many doors for these criminals. Phishing emails are just one of the ways that these people invade your privacy and compromise your safety.

I am not a fan of any kind of pornography. Porn spammers should be identified and stopped. They are no different than the people who make annoying, unwanted marketing calls except that they do it on the internet and there are no rules that prohibit them from sending you their unwanted trash.

Pedophiles and all of those involved in selling child pornography should be stopped. These people are the worst kinds of criminals.
Please, find them and stop them by any means necessary.

The people who spread malicious viruses and malware should be caught and prosecuted. It's not just a fun prank.

Scammers who use the internet to run all kinds of illegal schemes need to be stopped.

People who use the internet to sell counterfeit drugs and counterfeit everything else should be stopped.

The people who invade your privacy and, or, harm you via the internet are no different than the ones who invade your bricks and mortar home.
They cause real harm and they need to be stopped. The way that happens is through regulation.
And everything you've mentioned is a crime and punishable by law enforcement. This is without any additional REGULATION.
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Old 12-16-2010, 04:35 PM
 
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And everything you've mentioned is a crime and punishable by law enforcement. This is without any additional REGULATION.
Did you read the article the OP posted?

The regulations that are being proposed are to protect consumer privacy.
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