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Old 12-16-2010, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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In his classic novel "1984", George Orwell describes a nation in which a totalitarian government rules in all matters to the extent that ones own perfectly logical thoughts, if not in line with official party positions, are thought crimes. At the time this novel was written, totalitarian Marxist-Leninist governments like the ones in Mao's China and Stalin's Russia had emerged to provided real world examples of Orwell's fictional - though hardly implausible - Oceania. In all cases, real or imagined, for the interests of those who govern to be placed before those of the individual, the logical thought process of the individual, to the degree possible, must be controlled. This is because the ideas used to justify all-powerful centralized governments are themselves logically flawed, self-contradictory and vulnerable to exposure as such. In the real world, as in Orwell's Oceania, top-down centralized government and individual thought compete and are mutually exclusive.
Today in America, gays self-identify as a third gender thereby making them fit neither of the already segregated genders within the military. With that in mind, we have now received a new directive from the PC social engineers that no problem exist with allowing this "third gender" to serve openly and unsegregated in barracks, restrooms and shower facilities though seperation of males and females for these purposes has aways been the policy of the military and will continue. As the left has done in so many totalitarian states in the past, those who carry the torch of statism in the US today have fought tooth and nail to force others to accept an idea that is obviously illogical and inconsistent with other equally supported leftist concepts. They will likely get away with this breach of common sense because repeal of DADT and the new PC policy which will replace it will be forced onto the only citizens who have, for the purposes of military service, voluntarily given up their right to openly challenge the state's official positions. This means that for the social engineers on the left, the military has become their own Oceania in which truth is what they say it is and may be changed from time to time as fits new policies.
Of course, as in Oceana, other conflicting liberal whackadoodle concerns remain unchanged. A casual remark, compliment, look or smile, no matter how innocently intended, is still considered sexual harassment if taken by the recipient to be such. Gays who are as sexually excited by their own sex as heterosexuals are by the opposite sex will now be free to reveal their sexuality then dress and shower with heterosexuals who, while objecting to essentially being forced to perform a nude revue for gay service members, will still be required to get naked with them, but this shall in way be considered sexual harrassment. Furthermore, males and females will continue be segregated by gender with separate barracks, restrooms and showers since forcing females to shower with males would violate their rights. Finally, the PC thought police have concluded that anyone who points out the obvious glaring inconsistencies involved with sexual harassment laws, military gender segregation and gays openly serving in the military is a hater.

Today in PC America, two plus two equals five.
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Old 12-16-2010, 12:01 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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...then dress and shower with heterosexuals who, while objecting to essentially being forced to perform a nude revue for gay service members, will still be required to get naked with them, but this shall in way be considered sexual harrassment...

Please explain how this is NOT happening today, or even BEFORE DADT was implemented?

Also, aren't there already multiple threads about this?
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Old 12-16-2010, 12:10 PM
 
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Please explain how this is NOT happening today, or even BEFORE DADT was implemented?

Also, aren't there already multiple threads about this?

No, what I wrote...

"Gays who are as sexually excited by their own sex as heterosexuals are by the opposite sex will now be free to reveal their sexuality then dress and shower with heterosexuals who, while objecting to essentially being forced to perform a nude revue for gay service members, will still be required to get naked with them, but this shall in way be considered sexual harrassment."

...is not happening today under DADT.
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Old 12-16-2010, 12:29 PM
 
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No, what I wrote...

"Gays who are as sexually excited by their own sex as heterosexuals are by the opposite sex will now be free to reveal their sexuality then dress and shower with heterosexuals who, while objecting to essentially being forced to perform a nude revue for gay service members, will still be required to get naked with them, but this shall in way be considered sexual harrassment."

...is not happening today under DADT.
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Today in PC America, two plus two equals five.
Good point - some kinda inverse synergy.
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Old 12-16-2010, 12:41 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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No, what I wrote...

"Gays who are as sexually excited by their own sex as heterosexuals are by the opposite sex will now be free to reveal their sexuality then dress and shower with heterosexuals who, while objecting to essentially being forced to perform a nude revue for gay service members, will still be required to get naked with them, but this shall in way be considered sexual harrassment."

...is not happening today under DADT.

Right, so we agree that the reality of the situation is that the objectionable, to you and others, acts (gays and straights showering together) are *already* taking place and that DADT is only enabling the straight folks' fallacy that it is NOT happening?

Reality is scary, let's make stuff up in order to soothe our feelings/insecurities. Is that it? Ignorance is bliss?
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:48 PM
 
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Right, so we agree that the reality of the situation is that the objectionable, to you and others, acts (gays and straights showering together) are *already* taking place and that DADT is only enabling the straight folks' fallacy that it is NOT happening?

Reality is scary, let's make stuff up in order to soothe our feelings/insecurities. Is that it? Ignorance is bliss?

Is it AADD?

Heterosexual service members being forced to dress and shower with openly gay persons is the issue. The inconsistency of liberal PC witch hunts for sexual harassers and forcing straits to shower with gays is the issue.
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Is it AADD?

Heterosexual service members being forced to dress and shower with openly gay persons is the issue. The inconsistency of liberal PC witch hunts for sexual harassers and forcing straits to shower with gays is the issue.
What the hell is the difference if the person is open or not? Straight people are already showering with gays in the Military, that has been going on for some time.

In fact this very issue of showering with gays was brought up in the report release by the Pentagon, and guess what most people don't care, its a non-issue.
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Old 12-16-2010, 03:13 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Is it AADD?

Heterosexual service members being forced to dress and shower with openly gay persons is the issue. The inconsistency of liberal PC witch hunts for sexual harassers and forcing straits to shower with gays is the issue.


Are they being forced to do it right now? What difference, outside of some homophobe's head, does it make if the gay person is open or not? Does it make them less gay if they're closeted?

So you're saying ignorance IS bliss? It's alright if I steal from you, as long as you don't realize I'm stealing from you?
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Old 12-16-2010, 03:31 PM
 
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What the hell is the difference if the person is open or not? Straight people are already showering with gays in the Military, that has been going on for some time.

In fact this very issue of showering with gays was brought up in the report release by the Pentagon, and guess what most people don't care, its a non-issue.
If & when gays "tell' then they might get a knuckle sandwich
punishment? well, the gay soldier might face harrassment charges, but the military will probably let it go figuring a good Asse whoopin should stop the ill-advised behavior.
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Old 12-16-2010, 03:34 PM
 
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Are they being forced to do it right now? What difference, outside of some homophobe's head, does it make if the gay person is open or not? Does it make them less gay if they're closeted?

So you're saying ignorance IS bliss? It's alright if I steal from you, as long as you don't realize I'm stealing from you?
But if you knew that someone was a thief then wouldn't you take precautions? Now those thieves have a free pass to "steal" if they want. Straight soldiers are going to be forced to defend themselves. it could get ugly
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