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Old 06-29-2020, 12:03 AM
 
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With the widespread increase in diagnosed Covid cases (most pronounced in the Southwest and Southeast) and the resistance to bringing back second lockdown, it seems that U.S. has chosen herd immunity by default. Despite the dramatic upshoot in daily diagnosed cases over the past two weeks, the 7 day running averages of the daily death has continued to steadily decline. A possible explanation is more young and healthy people are getting it and I believe there may be a certain percentage of the population that is NOT susceptible to even catch Covid even if exposed (I know a woman who got it and her husband and 11 year old never got it despite living in a small compact, 2 bedroom house).


So if you're in good health and between 18 and 40, and DO NOT live with any at risk person, would you be willing to intentionally expose yourself to a person with Covid 19 in order to contribute to herd immunity. I'm NOT talking about just taking chances and going to bars: I'm talking about intentionally spending time with someone who is infected in order to attempt to get infected and "get it over with" so they can develop antibodies and immunity. Similar to how generations before us had "chicken pox" and "measles" parties to intentionally expose their kids so they could get it over with.



There are some risks and I'm sure there will be some young and healthy people who die or suffer serious damage if they do this but the vast majority should recover okay and when they do fully recover and develop antibodies, they can go visit their parents, grandparents, and other at risk people again with knowledge that they have already had Covid and won't get it again.



IF there are some people who intentionally expose themselves to large doses of someone who has Covid and they STILL don't get it, it would provide a case for studying if someone have natural immunity. Of course, this would something that would be entirely voluntary and the people doing this should sign a waiver and get the approval from their families before assuming the risk.

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Old 06-29-2020, 12:08 AM
 
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I hope people understand that without an effective vaccine, there never will be "herd immunity". Think smallpox and polio if you doubt that.
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Old 06-29-2020, 12:12 AM
 
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There is no evidence of herd immunity though, it is still being studied.
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Old 06-29-2020, 12:14 AM
 
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I hope people understand that without an effective vaccine, there never will be "herd immunity". Think smallpox and polio if you doubt that.
Why not think Spanish flu? Smallpox and Polio were never nearly as contagious as COVID and a high percent of the population never got them.
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Old 06-29-2020, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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There's a British experiment happening right now where young volunteers are being infected with Covid.
The experiment hopes to provide enough Covid antibodies that micro-doses to uninfected persons will 'startle' their body's immune response to kick in and protect them just shy of catching the disease.

The project openly admits that this is risky and uncertain, but it could be a very fast way to provide immunity long enough for a vaccine to be found for the most vulnerable demographic groups.

Covid is far from being finished having its way with older people. Quarantine has been better with that group than with others, but no quarantine can last forever, and it's a weak barrier against infection at best.
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Old 06-29-2020, 02:34 AM
 
Location: Texas
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We don't know how long COVID antibodies provide protection. This is true for a vaccine as well. A vaccine might only provide protection for 6 months to a year. We might need to get a yearly vaccine for COVID.

If herd immunity through natural exposure doesn't work then a single vaccine won't work either. By the time we get the world vaccinated, we would need to re-vaccinate everyone.

We will likely be battling COVID off and on forever.
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Old 06-29-2020, 02:50 AM
 
Location: NY
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With the widespread increase in diagnosed Covid cases (most pronounced in the Southwest and Southeast) and the resistance to bringing back second lockdown, it seems that U.S. has chosen herd immunity by default. Despite the dramatic upshoot in daily diagnosed cases over the past two weeks, the 7 day running averages of the daily death has continued to steadily decline. A possible explanation is more young and healthy people are getting it and I believe there may be a certain percentage of the population that is NOT susceptible to even catch Covid even if exposed (I know a woman who got it and her husband and 11 year old never got it despite living in a small compact, 2 bedroom house).


So if you're in good health and between 18 and 40, and DO NOT live with any at risk person, would you be willing to intentionally expose yourself to a person with Covid 19 in order to contribute to herd immunity. I'm NOT talking about just taking chances and going to bars: I'm talking about intentionally spending time with someone who is infected in order to attempt to get infected and "get it over with" so they can develop antibodies and immunity. Similar to how generations before us had "chicken pox" and "measles" parties to intentionally expose their kids so they could get it over with.



There are some risks and I'm sure there will be some young and healthy people who die or suffer serious damage if they do this but the vast majority should recover okay and when they do fully recover and develop antibodies, they can go visit their parents, grandparents, and other at risk people again with knowledge that they have already had Covid and won't get it again.



IF there are some people who intentionally expose themselves to large doses of someone who has Covid and they STILL don't get it, it would provide a case for studying if someone have natural immunity. Of course, this would something that would be entirely voluntary and the people doing this should sign a waiver and get the approval from their families before assuming the risk.
Excerpt: So if you're in good health and between 18 and 40, // would you be willing to intentionally expose yourself ?

Response: What about those in good health between ages 41 to 103 ? They are nor even worth mentioning?
Sounds like a manifesto...
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Old 06-29-2020, 03:30 AM
 
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Herd immunity with the CCP virus is a complete conspiracy theory myth along the same lines as injecting a disinfectant or a light beam to kill the virus.


Immunity could only last a couple months for all we know.

Please , no American directly infect themselves , you'd just be contributing to the CCP's bioattack.

If China or Russia want to try "Herd immunity" please go for it!!!
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Old 06-29-2020, 03:40 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Herd immunity won’t do much good if people have to die all over again every six months or a year.
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Old 06-29-2020, 05:46 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Would you volunteer to get the flu, why do you think this is different.


Take a close look at the ICU's in various states with just 5% of the population infected, what do you suppose it would look like at 60-70%.

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