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Old 12-22-2010, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Just like the so called Food "Safety Modernization Act had NOTHING to do with food safety, Net Neutrality has nothing to do with fairness or an even playing field on the internet like the name would imply.

The food "safety" bill gives more control to BIG AGRA and BIG FOOD and makes it more difficult for smaller companies and farmers to do business and the Net Neutrality bill would have a similar effect. It is about giving control to the government who will in turn favor the BIG companies, like Google, involved with the internet to control the routing of what is sent over the internet AND to control the content. To us it will mean higher costs; slower service and less freedom and choice on-line.

This article explains it better than I can. Danger at the FCC: An Omnibus Warning | RedState
It is too bad that more here couldn't see this article, however, most of them won't read it because of the source. Red State is precisely one of the places that will leave first once those Neo-Marxists at the FCC get enough control and if this thing gets past the courts and the Congress that is coming.

Great article and one of the best I have seen on this subject.
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Congress long ago delegated the authority to the FCC to do just about whatever it deems appropriate, within its mandate. Congress also requires the FCC, and every other federal agency, to report to them regularly. If Congress wishes to overturn a regulation, they can. It's called oversight.

MOST of the laws and regulations in the this country are created by federal agencies and departments because Congress has given them the power to do so. It's entirely Constitutional and appropriate, unless you'd like Congress to do nothing more than spend its time making very specific rules and regulations to enforce the laws it passes. They wouldn't get anything else done.

It really would help if you knew how our government operates and why.
The Congress seemingly passed the Healthcare Insurance Act and jammed it down our throats but the Congress did not write much, if any, of it. It was largely written in the offices of Harry Reid by insurance and union people with a couple of his buddies attending at least some of the time.

The Congress did not write the Stimulus Bill since it was largely done by the Apollo Alliance and handed to them. The Congress didn't debate either of these laws as over 2500 pages would have taken too much time, in your thinking. I say that if they could pass those two laws they could have something to say about this pile of pelosi.

I know what you are saying is very true, if for no other reason, what the EPA does that the people just don't care for. Kind of like them thinking about taxing farmers for cow farts.
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Yes and when these agencies overstep their boundaries and begin dictating to congress what they will or won't do they need to be discontinued or have a makeover. The FCC Chairman said they will be "The cops of the internet"
I say "We don't need no stinkin badges" policing the internet which is working just fine. Who the hell asked for these interlopers. I don't recall hearing a huge outcry from the american people about how dissatisfied they are with the internet. It is a power grab plain and simple disgused as a concerned agency watching out for us dumb citizens who can't take care of ourselves.
I hope the 112th Congress will call these overpaid burecrats on the carpet and demmand that they justify their unbridled attack on our civil liberties.
They are doing just what their boss wants them to do, at least his appointments in that office point out what he wants in the end and they are just the test case to see how far the others can go when the real takeover begins.
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Here you go right wingers and tea baggers....just so you know what side you are on.

wiki

Opposition comes from conservative groups, including think tanks such as the Cato Institute, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, the Goldwater Institute and Americans for Tax Reform. Opponents of net neutrality also include large hardware companies and members of the cable and telecommunications industries.[5] Five of the biggest telecom corporations in the country—Verizon, Time Warner, AT&T, Comcast, and Qwest collectively lobbied $218 million to Representatives and gave $23.7 million in campaign contributions from 2006–2008.[44]



Wiki?

Anything from a website that didn't receive $2 million from Goggle?
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The Congress seemingly passed the Healthcare Insurance Act and jammed it down our throats but the Congress did not write much, if any, of it. It was largely written in the offices of Harry Reid by insurance and union people with a couple of his buddies attending at least some of the time.

The Congress did not write the Stimulus Bill since it was largely done by the Apollo Alliance and handed to them. The Congress didn't debate either of these laws as over 2500 pages would have taken too much time, in your thinking. I say that if they could pass those two laws they could have something to say about this pile of pelosi.

I know what you are saying is very true, if for no other reason, what the EPA does that the people just don't care for. Kind of like them thinking about taxing farmers for cow farts.

It's rare for any Congress member to actually write any piece of legislation, not just the ones you mentioned. It's usually done by their staff with help from those "special interests" who have the expertise and a stake in it. Of course, it must bear the members name to be filed since nobody but a member can file a bill.

And, before you go off the deep end about those evil "special interests," remember that the NRA is a special interest too. So is the VFW and the American Legion and, yes, they help craft legislation they want passed too. In the modern age, when a Congress member's day is full of committee meetings, hearings, votes, meeting with constituents and all the other things we expect them to do, it's the only way a bill would ever be written. Not to mention that writing a GOOD bill is an art form which most members don't know how to do. A poorly crafted bill causes more problems than it's worth.

Yes, sometimes bills contain too much and are too long and so complicated that no member will actually have the time to read it and understand all it's ramifications. The health care reform act and the Patriot Act are good examples of poory crafted bills which contained far too much and which the members barely understood. And sometimes they're done that way on purpose! It's just another of the legislative tricks which makes Washington function.

But, "normal" bills get all the committee hearings they need and the members, or their staffs, have analyzed them to the nth degree before a vote ever comes up. Moreover, as time passes and Congress addresses problems in the original bills, the intent of Congress becomes more clear. Legislation creating the FCC was introduced decades ago and there have been plenty of authorizations, supplemental bills, funding bills etc so that there is little to no doubt that the FCC has the authority to do what they're proposing to do and that it's exactly what Congress created them to do.

Just because some of us don't like what they're proposing doesn't automatically make it some sort of extra-Constitutional or extra-legal action.
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Old 12-23-2010, 06:43 AM
 
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From where on earth do you get that ridiculously wrong information? And why do you repeat it when it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about?
Thanks for the great post. You have provided us all the information we ever need. Great job.

Here is the issue. There is nothing wrong with how internet is function today. It is like this since it creation so 30 or 40 years ago. It is just fine. We don't want government to come in and stand bossing us what to do. Just list 1 thing that government touch that didn't turn into poop?
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Old 12-23-2010, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Here you go right wingers and tea baggers....just so you know what side you are on.

wiki

Opposition comes from conservative groups, including think tanks such as the Cato Institute, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, the Goldwater Institute and Americans for Tax Reform. Opponents of net neutrality also include large hardware companies and members of the cable and telecommunications industries.[5] Five of the biggest telecom corporations in the country—Verizon, Time Warner, AT&T, Comcast, and Qwest collectively lobbied $218 million to Representatives and gave $23.7 million in campaign contributions from 2006–2008.[44]
That is old news. There is no opposition now from the telcoms.
They worked with Waxman to write a compromise draft and that compromise draft got passed. Verizon/Google BACKED this new compromise bill.
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Old 12-23-2010, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Thanks for the great post. You have provided us all the information we ever need. Great job.

Here is the issue. There is nothing wrong with how internet is function today. It is like this since it creation so 30 or 40 years ago. It is just fine. We don't want government to come in and stand bossing us what to do. Just list 1 thing that government touch that didn't turn into poop?
Well the "fear" seed was already planted. The ISP will turn you off or take away your favorite sites or block others.

The government created a potential problem that they have the solution to.
So pass the solution today to prevent their "created problem" tomorrow.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it doesn't hold water because no one can make money off that.
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Mansfield Ohio
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Well the "fear" seed was already planted. The ISP will turn you off or take away your favorite sites or block others.

The government created a potential problem that they have the solution to.
So pass the solution today to prevent their "created problem" tomorrow.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it doesn't hold water because no one can make money off that.
You are 100% correct. I keep telling everyone Julian Assange was either MI 6 or set up by them. Wikileaks gives Cass Sunstein and the real boss clique back in Europe ie Rothschilds, Habsburgs, Windors, and every one of those evil Merovingian descendents their dream of a dumbed down world which will lead to a slave world then a depopulated world.

For folks who dont know. Merovingians are NOT descendents of Christ as Christ died a virgin. Instead they are descendents of the ancient families going back to Nimrod in Babylon and Menes in Egypt and even further back than that. They have been in control for 4000 5000 years plus same families different names. READ A BOOK!
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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You are 100% correct. I keep telling everyone Julian Assange was either MI 6 or set up by them. Wikileaks gives Cass Sunstein and the real boss clique back in Europe ie Rothschilds, Habsburgs, Windors, and every one of those evil Merovingian descendents their dream of a dumbed down world which will lead to a slave world then a depopulated world.

For folks who dont know. Merovingians are NOT descendents of Christ as Christ died a virgin. Instead they are descendents of the ancient families going back to Nimrod in Babylon and Menes in Egypt and even further back than that. They have been in control for 4000 5000 years plus same families different names. READ A BOOK!
How about you post some proof regarding the ridiculous claim in your last paragraph?
Otherwise, its just the rantings of some loon on the interwebs.
I think thats about the biggest load of BS I have read anywhere.
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