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Old 12-22-2010, 09:07 AM
 
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Liberty is at the heart of liberal, but you need to keep in mind a distinction between the freedom to do what you want so long as you don't hurt others (liberal liberty), and the freedom to keep your wealth and priviliges, even if others are hurt in the process (conservative liberty).
Please. Liberals are only liberal about sex and marijuana. Everything else they are dyed-in-the-wool statists.

"Liberal" has got to be the biggest misnomer of all time.
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Old 12-22-2010, 09:12 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Identify please the 'forced rules and regulations' that help only 5% of the public at the expense of the other 95%.

Shall we start with the programs, rules and regulations put in place without congress from agencies like the EPA, FCC, DOE, ACF, Ag(USDA), NRPC(Amtrak), Dept. of Energy, USPS, DOT, HHS, EEOC, HUD, DHS, Dept. of Education, ....


I could go on and on and on.

Where to start???

You go first:
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Old 12-22-2010, 09:52 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What is Conservative about those agencies?

I hear a pin dropping!


My GOD this is the question that is taboo to a Liberal.
I'm not really confused. I know the motive.

The confusion is in the "Liberals" mind, searching for a spin or attack to answer with.


The truth will set you free. Come clean.
Why is politically Liberal, anything but liberal, literally??? Haha!
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Old 12-22-2010, 09:57 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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A Liberal in politics(noun) isn't anything remotely comparable, to liberal as an adjective.

Is this just done to deceive the voting public?
In the same note "Welfare" was placed on public assistance?
Who comes up with this relabeling and political correctness? Why?
Must be a Conservative thing, right?
Once again, your O-P-I-N-I-O-N

Seems you're aware of nouns and adjectives being different, perhaps someday you'll learn fact and opinion are also different.
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Old 12-22-2010, 10:02 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by BentBow: The confusion is in the "Liberals" mind, searching for a spin or attack to answer with.


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Once again, your O-P-I-N-I-O-N

Seems you're aware of nouns and adjectives being different, perhaps someday you'll learn fact and opinion are also different.


Like clockwork.


Opinion? Well documented facts are opinion? Spin.

Some day you'll learn? Attack.


Like clockwork.
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Old 12-22-2010, 10:04 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Like clockwork.


Opinion? Well documented facts are opinion? Spin.

Some day you'll learn? Attack.


Like clockwork.
WHAT allegedly "well documented facts" have you presented here?

Attack? No, just trolling on your part.
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Old 12-22-2010, 10:07 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What is liberal about force?

Forcing me to do something I don't need and cannot afford, is certainly a Liberal view.

Lets take Obamacare for instance.
A liberal mind is going to force us to do something that helps 5% of the public, while hurting 95% of the public, in the name of a monetary grab.

The Openhandness is there. Not with their earned income.
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Old 12-22-2010, 10:11 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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What is liberal about force?

Lets take Obamacare for instance.
A liberal mind is going to force us to do something that helps 5% of the public, while hurting 95% of the public, in the name of a monetary grab.

The Openhandness is there. By not with their earned income.
WHERE's the facts you allegedly present?

Just HOW is Obamacare going to help only 5% while hurting 95% of the population? Facts, NOT your opinion please!
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Old 12-22-2010, 10:23 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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WHERE's the facts you allegedly present?

Just HOW is Obamacare going to help only 5% while hurting 95% of the population? Facts, NOT your opinion please!

Your kidding, right? How many have asked to be let off the hook for this monstrosity they call Obamacare?
There are plenty of facts revealed about the bill that had to be signed to see what is in it.

Where have you been the last 2 years?


Let's see more recent
Oil drilling moratorium? Didn't help anyone!
GM Chysler by-out? That was certainly less than 5% Haha! A lot less, at the cost to who exactly?

DADT only helps a very low percentage, at a very high risk to us all!!! Repealing it just accelerated and increased the risk.

Did you set a mailbox up on Mars recently?
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Old 12-22-2010, 02:07 PM
 
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Shall we start with the programs, rules and regulations put in place without congress from agencies like the EPA, FCC, DOE, ACF, Ag(USDA), NRPC(Amtrak), Dept. of Energy, USPS, DOT, HHS, EEOC, HUD, DHS, Dept. of Education, ....


I could go on and on and on.

Where to start???

You go first:
Please do, since Congress, both Republican and Democrat have delegated the drafting of regulations to the relevant regulatory agencies.

As for the jejune idea that regulation is the antithesis of liberty... rules preserve liberty.

The EPA preserves my liberty to breath...

The FCC preserves my liberty to enjoy communally owned airwaves...

The DOE of energy preserves my liberty not to turned into a green glowing object.

Should I go on....?
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