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Old 12-29-2010, 06:31 AM
 
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There are many "Christians " that are that on Christmas and Easter... the rest of the year it is lip service. If you look for those that actually live the words Of JC I'm thinking they would less likely be republicans.

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God
AONE, you do understand that Jesus was not excoriating the rich in that passage. Rather he was warning them about the danger of putting their trust in their wealth instead of trusting in God. Wealth can create a false sense of security. But the only security is faith in God. Wealth can lead people to think that they don't need God--which can be a fatal assumption. Just as it was extremely difficult for a camel to enter Jerusalem through the narrow gate in the wall surrounding the city called "The Eye of the Needle" so it is for a rich man to put his confidence in God for his eternal salvation. Jesus was not into class warfare.
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Old 12-29-2010, 08:13 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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AONE, you do understand that Jesus was not excoriating the rich in that passage. Rather he was warning them about the danger of putting their trust in their wealth instead of trusting in God. Wealth can create a false sense of security. But the only security is faith in God. Wealth can lead people to think that they don't need God--which can be a fatal assumption. Just as it was extremely difficult for a camel to enter Jerusalem through the narrow gate in the wall surrounding the city called "The Eye of the Needle" so it is for a rich man to put his confidence in God for his eternal salvation. Jesus was not into class warfare.
That's your interpretation. But if you take a more literal interpretation of the words written...it seems to suggest that you should not be hoarding wealth above what you need to survive. Jesus clearly didn't amass wealth, did he?

This is what I love about religion... anyone can take those arcane words from some old book and twist them into whatever in the world they want it to mean in order to validate their lifestyle and prevent them from having to do anything differently.
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Old 12-29-2010, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Boise
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jesus never said anything about abortion, and gays.. yet it is the most polarizing topics with christians...

they foam at the mouth at the thought of an abortion happening or "the gays" marrying...

if you don't think religion isn't politicized in this country... you're not paying attention..
organized religion is about power.. controlling the masses...
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Old 12-30-2010, 10:54 AM
 
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That's your interpretation. But if you take a more literal interpretation of the words written...it seems to suggest that you should not be hoarding wealth above what you need to survive. Jesus clearly didn't amass wealth, did he?

This is what I love about religion... anyone can take those arcane words from some old book and twist them into whatever in the world they want it to mean in order to validate their lifestyle and prevent them from having to do anything differently.
Remember, it is you that quoted the "old book." Presumably it was quote-worthy because of how you interpreted the sense of what Jesus was saying. And I use the word "sense" advisedly because, despite your professed preference for a literal interpretation of the passage, there is no way such an interpretation would yield the meaning that you ascribe to it. What words, precisely, refer to hoarding?

In point of fact my interpretation (which is consistent with that of innumerable biblical scholars, beginning with St. Jerome) does not validate the lifestyle of the rich, who are the subject of Jesus' teaching. A rich man who recognizes the foolishness of putting his trust in his weath is one who holds that wealth lightly and is therefore more inclined to share it with the needy, which other scriptures (although not this one) counsel the wealthy to do as a moral obligation.

Jesus was not about class warfare--he was not a socialist, in today's parlance--because he was about the individual, as opposed to the collective, heart. The heart can be noble or corrupt and that applies equally to the poor and the rich. But there is salvation for a heart turned toward God. The saying of Jesus that you quoted warned that turning the heart toward God can be made more difficult by virtue of the wealth one has accumulated. But the salvation God extends through Jesus is for rich and poor alike.
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Old 12-30-2010, 11:02 AM
 
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Typical ******* thread.

Let's rephrase the question: Why Are Those That Are Terrorists, Also Heavily Muslim?

or

Why Are Those That Are Heavily Atheist and Anti-American, Also Heavily Democrat?

Enjoy the stimulating discussions.....
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Old 12-30-2010, 11:11 AM
 
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If democrats actually cared to do stuff like protect the lives of the unborn maybe I'd consider voting for dems. Then, of course, there's the Biblical concepts of not eating if you don't work. The democrat party tends to be big into social programs that go against that.
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Old 12-30-2010, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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Maybe there are more poor people because the top 20% own 85% of all the wealth and the gap keeps growing, if the rich are keeping all the money that leaves less for everyone else so more people end up poor. Rich corporations with CEO bonuses in the millions sending the jobs overseas, and increasing unemployment is pushing many of the formerly working class into the the poorest classes.

The vast majority of people would prefer a decent paying job that paid enough to support their families to any type of welfare. If you don't believe that than go volunteer to help people who are struggling and ask to hear their stories instead of just spouting off about "welfare queens" stealing all your money. I keep hearing how cutting taxes for the rich will increase employment, but the tax cuts for the highest earners have been in effect for how many years now, and unemployment is higher than ever.
Iam sorry but you just dont get it ..wealth is not finite wealth can be created. Believe it or not rich people created wealth for them selves.and poor people like myself can create wealth and become rich. one more thing tax cut have been effect for a while but there was no cut in spending. It would be like me cutting down my work week to 4 day and then go out and get another mortgage does that make any sense? Dem's. go along with Rep.. in cutting taxes but when it comes to cutting spending they will never go along with that.
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Old 12-30-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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False.
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Old 12-30-2010, 01:38 PM
 
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Default New study finds Conservatives more fearful than Progressives

When children are baptized, some of the holy old-testament water enters the brain through the ear duct and causes the child's amygdalas to increase in size.
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Old 12-30-2010, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Republican party is more family friendly. Pro-life and pro-independent people. By the way Jesus never said we should live off the government, in fact He wanted us to separate from the government---give to God what belonged to God and to government what belonged to government (many today think more and more of out things belong to the government.) Those who did not work would not eat kind of thing. St. Paul wrote that to Christians in his letters.
Except that Jesus wasn't particularly 'family-friendly.' Jesus specifically told his followers to leave their families to follow Him and to expect that they would be hated for doing so.
In Mathew 10:35-38 He says:
For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[a]

37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

Far too many of the things that modern Christian's believe are derived from the words of Paul or from Timothy and not from the actual words of Christ.
Paul and Timothy both came from Roman backgrounds where the father as head of household was sacrosanct. Of course they would integrate this into their teachings, but, it is in direct opposition to what Jesus told his disciples while still among them.
Yes, these teachings are included in the New Testament, but, all Christians need to ask themselves: do I follow Christ or do I follow Paul or Timothy?


The Bible also tells us to be good stewards of the earth and yet who is leading the charge against the EPA and others who would protect what God has given us?
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