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Old 08-29-2012, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Joykins View Post
I read somewhere that when you eliminate religious people's giving to their own churches, the difference between Republican/Democrat (recorded) charitable giving more or less disappears. The religious people giving a lot to their own churches tend to aggregate on the Republican side, right now, although this wasn't always the case.
Yes, there are many things to take into consideration when it comes to charitable contributions. People who have more money are able to give more, but a person with less money may actually be giving a larger percentage of their income, and many people who don't have a lot of money for charity give freely of their time. Charity is not just about money, it's also in how you treat people, especially people who are different from you, or whom you don't understand.
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Old 08-29-2012, 03:00 PM
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by JimMe View Post
AONE, you do understand that Jesus was not excoriating the rich in that passage. Rather he was warning them about the danger of putting their trust in their wealth instead of trusting in God. Wealth can create a false sense of security. But the only security is faith in God. Wealth can lead people to think that they don't need God--which can be a fatal assumption. Just as it was extremely difficult for a camel to enter Jerusalem through the narrow gate in the wall surrounding the city called "The Eye of the Needle" so it is for a rich man to put his confidence in God for his eternal salvation. Jesus was not into class warfare.
There's no evidence that there was ever a gate in the wall of Jerusalem called "The Eye of the Needle." That's most likely a legend that's been floating around for a very long time, to make the whole thing sound possible.

cite: Eye of a needle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-29-2012, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
jesus was a liberal????


he though it was ok to steel from the haves, just because someone else is not willing or smart enough to work???
You mean like
He has filled the hungry with good things
but has sent the rich away empty.

You mean like that?
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Old 08-29-2012, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunnysee View Post
Yeah, there's some scripture that is about the womb, hence about abortion for obvious reasons. Jesus spoke for 33yrs and yet we have so few words of His recorded that He could have said them in just one hour of His life! However, He clearly said that He didn't come to earth to get rid of even one point of the Old Testament Law, "but to fulfill it."

Here's scripture about the womb/abortion.

"Before I was born the LORD called me; from my birth he has made mention of my name...and now the LORD says--he who formed me in the womb to be his servant..."- Isaiah 49:1

"The word of the LORD came to me, saying, ‘Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations’" -Jeremiah 1:4-5
Here's another:

Originally Posted by Numbers 5
11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[c] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[e] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”
The Bible: completely clear, consistent, and unambiguous about abortion in pro-life minds since 1973.
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Old 08-29-2012, 03:19 PM
Location: Maryland
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To answer the OP, I don't think Jesus was a conservative or a liberal. These are modern political categories. He lived in a certain period of time when the only say people had in their government was mostly through sycophantism or violence, and usually brutally put down. he lived amongst a group of especially poor and oppressed people even in that milieu. He did not play well with the religious hierarchy of the time & place, nor did he play especially well with the Romans. I think he wanted people to make their society better (and usher in the Kingdom of Heaven) by caring more about each other and thinking more about what God wants. I think there are plenty of ways both conservative and liberal politics can sincerely embrace these values, but I also think which side you pick says more about your personality than about Jesus.
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Old 09-03-2012, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by cometclear View Post
I don't believe Jesus ever weighed in on "forced redistribution of wealth," but if you can point me towards the place in the New Testament where he addressed that, I'm willing to stand corrected. I would humbly submit that the social safety net is a codification of the moral obligation to help the weakest and that it was inevitable to materialize in an overwhelmingly Christian nation. BTW, why do you think the social safety net appeared in the United States?
I think the social safety net appeared to destroy the American family. Mission accomplished.
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Old 08-27-2014, 08:59 AM
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The Republicans who have hijacked Christianity are pharisees and false prophets of the age!
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Old 08-27-2014, 09:10 AM
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Lightbulb Why Are Those That Are Heavily Christian, Also Heavily Republican?

Good explanation here.

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Old 08-27-2014, 05:05 PM
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Something to consider. The Delta region of Mississippi (that western part of Mississippi) and alot of the Black Belt counties in Alabama and Georgia, all of those areas are heavily Christian areas and voted for President Obama and other Democratic Presidents. Meanwhile most other parts of the South that are heavily Christian are Republican areas. I would really look at it by counties.
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Old 08-27-2014, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TempesT68 View Post
This is a phenomenon I've never really understood is why those that are heavily christian, are also heavily republicans. If you really think about it besides abortion views, Jesus was a liberal. Not a leftest republican or democrat, but a full-blown green party tree hugging flaming liberal.
The teachings are about living frugally, to help the poor, to only live with what you need and give your unneeded wealth away. To open your doors to the needy and that greed is evil. Even how Jesus is depicted in looking, long hair, beard, sandals, pretty much exactly like hippies of the 60's.
It just seems to make sense that if you are a true follower of the bible, you would be a hardcore liberal, not a conservative.
you are 100% incorrect.

Nowhere did Christ teach that the State was your Savior.

Nor did he advocate government enforcement of men's religion.

Ergo, librtarianism is closer to Christianity than liberalism. In fact, liberalism and Christainity are near 100% in conflict.

It is impossible to be a Christian and adhere to modern liberalism.
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