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Old 12-24-2010, 11:31 AM
 
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Iraq was invaded by a Repubican president.

I agree that Jesus wasn't in cahoots with the govt.

John 18:36 Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world.
Tammy Faye Bakker said, "God don't like cheap stuff".
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Old 12-24-2010, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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No, Harborlady did not fail. The point is that the idea that conservatives give more to charity is a statistic that some might figure by tax deductions. No one really knows if conservatives actually give more, or if they just took more deductions (or lied) or bragged more in a survey. Statistics don't really mean much. Bragging that conservatives give more money to charity is not very Christian, it's quite prideful. I don't feel the need to tell anyone how much time or money I give to charity, I am liberal in many ways, and I believe deeply in charity for it's own sake not to impress people.

Giving money isn't really associating with people in a "lower position" I believe Jesus actually spent time with people, he didn't give money, he actually spoke to them and helped them with his own hands. Giving money can be a way of bragging about how Christian you are while not actually experiencing, or understanding people who are struggling.
Are you saying that most people lie about how much they donate to charity? And further, are you saying that Christians/conservatives lie about how much they donate to charity? I believe the lying tendency extends to all members of the human race....

No, nobody knows for sure how much a certain group is donating, but the only way to get a somewhat accurate estimation is to base it on tax returns.

Also, seeing as how people who attend church often tithe, which is considered a charitable donation, it is safe to say those who are religious probably donate more to charity than those who are not religious. And b/c my personal opinion is that the OP is correct with his assertion, if this is true, religious conservatives generally donate more than other groups. I'm sure a study has been done on this at some point, and I definitely could be wrong, but logic tells me that conservative Christians probably donate more, assuming they are truly conservative and truly Christian (and arguably, many are not, unfortunately).

I love how everyone loves to say things are not very Christian-like. Christians are still human, last time I checked. Pride is a sin, and bragging of any kind is sinful in nature. But guess what...humans are ALL sinners.

But you don't know if people are actually spending time with the needy people, either. Perhaps they are donating money as well as spending time doing things like serving meals, helping with medical care, providing transportation for appointments, etc. You just don't know and it's presumptuous to say they're not associating with the folks in the "lower position."

Giving money is not a way to brag about being Christian. It's sometimes a way for ALL folks to brag about being generous or having money. Being Christian doesn't have anything to do with the bragging aspect of human nature.
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Old 12-24-2010, 11:45 AM
 
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Are you saying that most people lie about how much they donate to charity? And further, are you saying that Christians/conservatives lie about how much they donate to charity? I believe the lying tendency extends to all members of the human race....

No, nobody knows for sure how much a certain group is donating, but the only way to get a somewhat accurate estimation is to base it on tax returns.

Also, seeing as how people who attend church often tithe, which is considered a charitable donation, it is safe to say those who are religious probably donate more to charity than those who are not religious. And b/c my personal opinion is that the OP is correct with his assertion, if this is true, religious conservatives generally donate more than other groups. I'm sure a study has been done on this at some point, and I definitely could be wrong, but logic tells me that conservative Christians probably donate more, assuming they are truly conservative and truly Christian (and arguably, many are not, unfortunately).

I love how everyone loves to say things are not very Christian-like. Christians are still human, last time I checked. Pride is a sin, and bragging of any kind is sinful in nature. But guess what...humans are ALL sinners.

But you don't know if people are actually spending time with the needy people, either. Perhaps they are donating money as well as spending time doing things like serving meals, helping with medical care, providing transportation for appointments, etc. You just don't know and it's presumptuous to say they're not associating with the folks in the "lower position."

Giving money is not a way to brag about being Christian. It's sometimes a way for ALL folks to brag about being generous or having money. Being Christian doesn't have anything to do with the bragging aspect of human nature.
I simply pointed out they COULD lie to show that we really don't know the truth, not that MOST people lie.

Someone had posted specifically that conservatives give more money to charity, and since that was the case liberals were stingy. I found this statement offensive and ridiculous. There was also a post that liberals hate charity, again ridiculous. The reality is no one knows for sure who gives what in terms of time and money to charity, and there is no need to use such statements to insult or make assumptions about liberals OR conservatives.
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Old 12-24-2010, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Look some more nim. Try to remember the last time you saw or heard of a band of marauding Lutherans or Episcopalians. Those Quakers are a boisterous bunch, eh?
Of all the denominations present, who does the most emotional blackmailing or persistently blurs the lines of God and country for the sake of persuasion?
That is funny and so true. The "quiet" Christians who are tolerant on social issues & low-key in proselytizing. Also their bishops\ clergy are very liberal, anti-military, pro-socialism.
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Old 12-24-2010, 04:46 PM
 
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Really, even environmentalists despise Christianity? People who fall into the groups you listed don't despise Christianity, just because everyone doesn't share a religion hardly means they despise it or want to destroy it. Many people in those groups are Christians. In general democrats don't want laws and government based on religion, and believe there should be a separation between church and state, this isn't the same as being anti-religion. If government is based on one religion and it's values it can infringe on the freedom of all religion that is so important to our country.
You are either naive or ignorant, one only has to look through the threads on this forum to see the hatred and bigotry towards Christians, coming from the left, which as I said is an amalgamate of those groups mentioned.
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Old 12-24-2010, 04:48 PM
 
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The Christians in cities like Los Angeles are heavily Democratic and among certain denominations such as Black Baptist churches and Latino Catholic churches you would likely not find one person who would ever vote for a Republican. Among white folks in LA the majority are the most liberal in the city and many are Episcopalians and Jews.
Going to a Church does not make you a Christian any more than going to McDonalds makes you a hamburger.......just sayin.
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Old 12-24-2010, 04:50 PM
 
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This is a phenomenon I've never really understood is why those that are heavily christian, are also heavily republicans. If you really think about it besides abortion views, Jesus was a liberal. Not a leftest republican or democrat, but a full-blown green party tree hugging flaming liberal.
The teachings are about living frugally, to help the poor, to only live with what you need and give your unneeded wealth away. To open your doors to the needy and that greed is evil. Even how Jesus is depicted in looking, long hair, beard, sandals, pretty much exactly like hippies of the 60's.
It just seems to make sense that if you are a true follower of the bible, you would be a hardcore liberal, not a conservative.
I suspect most Christians have not closely examined their affinity for the Republican Party. But they feel comfortable in that party for a simple reason: individualism. Contrary to Obama's representation salvation is not collective. Nobody holds your hand when you stand before the throne of God for the white-throned judgment. You stand or fall on your individual faith in Christ's power to save.

The Republican Party, to the extent it adheres to the principles undergirding the Constitution, also believes in the individual. In turn the Constitution enshrines the God-given dignity of the individual as articulated in the Declaration of Independence. The Bill of Roghts is all about the rights of the individual as against government, i.e., the collective. By contrast the Democrat Party elevates the collective--at the expense of the individual.
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Old 12-24-2010, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Going to a Church does not make you a Christian any more than going to McDonalds makes you a hamburger.......just sayin.
Oh right, only Republicans are true Christians! Now where can we vomit? Republicans are the farthest away from true Christianity of any group of Americans. They wave the flag and hold up their Bibles in their sweaty little hands proclaiming God and country just like the Nazi saluted Hitler. Both are dangerous people and in no way Christian.
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Old 12-24-2010, 05:14 PM
 
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Oh right, only Republicans are true Christians! Now where can we vomit? Republicans are the farthest away from true Christianity of any group of Americans. They wave the flag and hold up their Bibles in their sweaty little hands proclaiming God and country just like the Nazi saluted Hitler. Both are dangerous people and in no way Christian.
Wow.......thank you very much, you just answered the op.
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Old 12-24-2010, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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I simply pointed out they COULD lie to show that we really don't know the truth, not that MOST people lie.

Someone had posted specifically that conservatives give more money to charity, and since that was the case liberals were stingy. I found this statement offensive and ridiculous. There was also a post that liberals hate charity, again ridiculous. The reality is no one knows for sure who gives what in terms of time and money to charity, and there is no need to use such statements to insult or make assumptions about liberals OR conservatives.
We are going on the only objective evidence we have. The link provides evidence that conservatives give more in both money and time. And blood.
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