TSA -Woman standing up for her rights winds up face down on floor (terror, gun)
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Well said. Its her 15 minutes of fame. She knew what would happen if she refused and went thru it anyways. If you are gonna fly, then you should be ready to do what they say. Plan to resist, don't fly.
By the way, if Airlines didn't like this then they would hire their own people and raise their ticket prices to pay for it.
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I think many are walking into this blind thinking they won't get this enhanced patdown. It's been played down big time by TSA and DHS talking about how few actually have to go through this.
Until YOU get singled out for this you too might just be complacent thinking about safety. Until then many think the odds are in their favor that they won't be subjected to this.
The airlines don't have a choice..the TSA is part of DHS.
As I posted though..it's happening all over the US at various airports so it's not just a standard APD thing.
And, as I re-read that article, they may be mixing TSA with APD.
It was TSA that released a statement, not APD about the arrest.
Understand it's happening all over, I was commenting SPECIFICALLY upon APD. APD is always there, along w/ ABIA security and then TSA. TSA is the enforcement arm, APD does the physical detaining, so that everyone gets to bill the gov't. for their little piece of the pie.
The "freedom to fly" is not a Constitutionally protected right.
And neither is the freedom to take a train.
And neither is the freedome to take a greyhound bus.
And neither is the freedom to take a boat.
I guess you still have your car until they set up checkpoints on the highways.
The constitution does protect your freedom to travel within the US though and at some point that freedom will be lost when there is no mode of transportation that is TSA grope-free. By then it will be too late to voice your opposition.
There was an article in USA Today in which some researchers questioned whether the full body scans actually worked and doubted whether they were capable of detecting the difference between human flesh and plastic.
nb. do not have a link as I read the paper version.
The "freedom to fly" is not a Constitutionally protected right.
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[SIZE=+1]The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. [/SIZE]
Technicalities and details...now we know that SCOTUS will rule that traveling is not protected under the 4th amendment w/ respect to leisure, but if you're engaged in commerce for your corporation or personal business and have to travel, it might be the opening to crack the veil.
Austin-Bergstrom International Airport - Texas
Hirschkind said because of the [pacemaker-type] device in her body, she was led to a female TSA employee and three Austin police officers. She says she was told she was going to be patted down.
"I turned to the police officer and said, 'I have given no due cause to give up my constitutional rights. You can wand me,'" and they said, 'No, you have to do this,'" she said.
Hirschkind agreed to the pat down, but on one condition.
"I told them, 'No, I'm not going to have my breasts felt,' and she said, 'Yes, you are,'" said Hirschkind.
When Hirschkind refused, she says that "the police actually pushed me to the floor, (and) handcuffed me. I was crying by then. They drug me 25 yards across the floor in front of the whole security."
An ABIA spokesman says it is TSA policy that anyone activating a security alarm has two options. One is to opt out and not fly, and the other option is to subject themselves to an enhanced pat down. Hirschkind refused both and was arrested.
I am appalled that we live in a country where we cannot defend our personal values about being touched by strangers without being subjected to embarrassment and harassment. All I can think of when reading and watchign this is Nazi Germany, I'm sorry. It makes me literally sick to my stomach.
And neither is the freedome to take a greyhound bus.
Also true.
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan
And neither is the freedom to take a boat.
Also true.
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan
I guess you still have your car until they set up checkpoints on the highways.
I live in San Diego. We have checkpoints on the highway.
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan
The constitution does protect your freedom to travel within the US though and at some point that freedom will be lost when there is no mode of transportation that is TSA grope-free. By then it will be too late to voice your opposition.
Nonsense.
TSA "groping" does not prevent anybody from traveling. Individual personal sensitivity to being "groped," on the other hand, can be intensely limiting to your options.
An individual's personal squeamishness about being scanned or patted down is no more the responsibility of the TSA to accommodate than is any individual's fear of flying. You want to avoid it? Make different travel choices.
Freedom to travel does not equal freedom to be a security risk for your fellow travelers.
(BTW... I've flown exactly 14 times since the new screening procedures when into effect. I've never been "groped" once. I always choose to go through the scanners. Odd how that works.)
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Freedom to travel does not equal freedom to be a security risk for your fellow travelers.
(BTW... I've flown exactly 14 times since the new screening procedures when into effect. I've never been "groped" once. I always choose to go through the scanners. Odd how that works.)
The TSA has 0 captures on it's record.
Not a single terrorist has been captured boarding a plane IN the US.
These terrorists board planes in other countries on their way to the US.
And if you are singled out you do not get a choice.
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