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Oh yes, the details of his birth, via location were indeed questioned. In fact, I believe the Senate voted on a resolution about his eligibility.
The details were never in question. Everyone agrees he was born out of the country. The question was whether or not that made him a natural born citizen, which is not a detail of his birth
I still don't care what his BC says but I would surely like to see a copy of his enrollment forms at Occidental College. I think that the real proof of his citizenship can be found there or he lied on it to get a scholarship that was available for Indonesian citizens.
I would also like to see some of his records from Columbia. Why did he freeze us away from things like along with his birth certificate? He could satisfy me by explaining why he did that.
G** d*** it, roys! This "freezing", "sealing", etc of Obama's records has been debunked so many times, only to be brought up again and again by the birthers. Obama did nothing to freeze, seal or otherwise withold his records. They are protected by the same privacy laws as your records and mine.
I don't think you would ever be satisfied. If he released some document showing he had gone to Occidental as an American, you'd just want to see something else, and something else, and something else.
Let me put it this way: Did Carter and Bush have to produce the long form of their BC or not? Is there a law that says the short form is not enough?
The Constitution does not mention Birth Certificates but it does call for natural born citizens and TheWon has spent too much of his early age days in other nations. The fact that he won't allow real proof of where he was born tells me that he may know something that he doesn't want any of us to know.
Does it make any sense that if he was a citizen of Indonesia when he came to the US to go to college he had given up his citizenship and would have to become naturalized to get it back? Well, I know it doesn't to you and others who fear he isn't qualified, but it sure does to close to half the people in this country.
If he has violated that part of the Constitution I can see progressives from this day on howling about it happening once so why not from now on?
Too bad it has nothing to do with Presidential eligibility.
Life is just filled with little disappointments.
If TheWon was a citizen of Indonesia when he came to Occidental College then he had been naturalized there and that calls for giving up US citizenship. Ah yes, this does have much to do with Presidential eligibility since to regain his US citizenship he would have to be naturalized and that just isn't natural born. You can't just go around changing citizenship from nation to nation because it is handy for you without giving up some things.
What records from Columbia do you know about? Have you read his Master's Thesis, just to learn the topic? Too much there for him to keep from us and it bothers me that so many, like you, don't want to know about the man's early days, just in case we would learn about his socialistic tendencies.
And this ^^^^ is just one example of why it would serve no good purpose for the President to respond further to any of these birthers, and why producing THE Long-Form version of his birth certificate will not make any difference at all.
So you don't think that there was a really "good" reason for him to seal all records about his earlier life. You think that a book, that may well have been written by a man who was one of the worst rebels of the 1960s, but is supposed to have been written by TheWon has to be the only record we have about his early life. I wish the Constitution could be seen as a base for our government and not something to run around when it works well for some people.
So you don't think that there was a really "good" reason for him to seal all records about his earlier life. You think that a book, that may well have been written by a man who was one of the worst rebels of the 1960s, but is supposed to have been written by TheWon has to be the only record we have about his early life. I wish the Constitution could be seen as a base for our government and not something to run around when it works well for some people.
That is not really the point. Those documents you mentioned do not prove anything, either, especially not one's birth place. Nor can I confirm or deny that Obama has not released them, or that Bush and Clinton did.
To me it's quite obvious that those accusations only serve as a means to get rid of a president a third of the population doesn't want. If Americans were happy with his work, they would not even think of challenging his birth status. Since the election results were clear, unlike with with the Gore vs Bush election, there is no point in challenging the results themselves. Thus the BC crap.
My God, woman, many more than 1/3 of our voters voted for McCain and you say that only 1/3 don't want TheWon to be our President. I guess you weren't around in 2004 when the grades of Bush and Carry were made public, were you? You weren't around when Rather told his lies about Bush and his service record. We know nothing about this man other than what was said in those two books that were written under strange circumstances. I don't think that one President before him was as little known as he is but then I may not be far enough left to be complaining.
The details were never in question. Everyone agrees he was born out of the country. The question was whether or not that made him a natural born citizen, which is not a detail of his birth
He's not producing the document because it helps him politically to not do so. That's it, plain and simple.
Regardless of which side of this case you are on, since it was brought up and the right of an elected President to be president has been called into question once, wouldn't the prudent thing to do be to change the Constitution to require anybody that's elected to that position provide documentation that conclusively proves that they're eligible to serve their term? Take the left/right/dem/rep nonsense out of this for a second. You have to prove eligibility to obtain a driver license - shouldn't you have to prove it to become the leader of the free world? It's common sense, people...
As for Obama, I do believe that he's a proper citizen. Do I *know* it? No, of course not, and nobody reading this does, either. The 43% mentioned in that poll earlier in this thread is comprised of a few birthers and about 40% sane people. The other 57% - the ones that *know* he was born in Hawaii - don't know any such thing. They weren't there, and they haven't seen proof of it. They don't *know* that anymore than they *know* what state I was born in. They're assuming that something they believe is a fact, when it has yet to be proven as such to them. Goes to show how stupid some otherwise smart people can be when it comes to politics.
Very well said, but THEY will be right back to make little of your words about "knowing " where he was born. It may well never die but i do want to see proof that he is eligible to be TheWon and he has not proved it yet.
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