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Old 12-31-2010, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Hasn't Germany had the system for over 100 years? Otto Von Bismark instituted it I think.
Hitler liked it too.

b-b-b-b-b-b-ut progressives told me he was "right winged"?

Germany also has a history of war aggression, xenophobia, and racial intolerance. That really hasn't changed to this day, which may be part of the reason why their system "works". Like Scandanavia, it's mostly whiteyville. They are authority driven, unlike America.
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Old 12-31-2010, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Don't ask me to give you answers about how to make work a system atrociously complicated, outdated, almost nightmerish.
I know very well how it is in some European countries. Efficient, simple, humane and foremost extremely performant.
How efficient and humane is it in Slovakia, Hungary, Ukraine, Montenegro, Belarus, Romania?

Cherry picking a few places isn't exactly a valid mechanism for determining if UHC works or not.

Oh, and it would be helpful to address the question instead of claiming intellectual ignorance. America has too many checks and balances in its legislative system to make socialism work. Bills get watered down and are impotent by the time they make it to the president's desk. Unless you want to fundamentally change the three branch system we have now, socialized medicine would never be as "efficient" (not that it really is) as France, UK, or Germany.
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Old 12-31-2010, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Great except for the brain surgeon. Most docs don't know squat about computers. Well, some of the younger ones know a little more than me, but not much.
I don't know what kind of doctors you work with, but most of the ones I know are extremely computer savvy.

And the point I was trying to make giving anecdotal evidence was that doctors tend to be more adaptive and have a greater financial ability to shift careers than people in other professions. I'm not saying that every doctor who leaves medicine will become a financial advisor or go into teaching, but this is what ONE doctor IS doing. They use the skills they have gained in their medical careers and transfer them to new/related professions. Pardon the pun, but that's not brain surgery.
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Old 12-31-2010, 04:16 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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socialized medicine would never be as "efficient" (not that it really is) as France, UK, or Germany.

Something about being government employees...

You think our healthcare will ever be like our military healthcare?
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Old 12-31-2010, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I don't know what kind of doctors you work with, but most of the ones I know are extremely computer savvy.

And the point I was trying to make giving anecdotal evidence was that doctors tend to be more adaptive and have a greater financial ability to shift careers than people in other professions. I'm not saying that every doctor who leaves medicine will become a financial advisor or go into teaching, but this is what ONE doctor IS doing. They use the skills they have gained in their medical careers and transfer them to new/related professions. Pardon the pun, but that's not brain surgery.
The local congressional candidate has an MD, left medicine, and started a software business relating to medical equipment. He's a millionaire now.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ki/B.J._Lawson

No doubt that many doctors are completely versatile and unlike the jealous haters on this thread, not the one trick ponies they are deluded into believing they are.

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Old 12-31-2010, 04:19 PM
 
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A survey of 100,000 doctors by the Physicians Foundation finds that 40% say they will stop practicing altogether within three years when Obamacare is fully implemented. I guess that's how Obamacare will bend downward the cost curve: by making sure fewer people get medical treatment because they can't find a doctor to treat them. And Michael Moore will get his wish. Our health care will be just like Cuba's: two-tiered. The wealthy and the politically-connected will continue to enjoy quality care. The rest of us will be treated to third-world medical care.
I am a physician. I think that most docs over age 50 could quit practicing at any time, as nearly all in that demographic have enough saved. However, I think that most physicians practice because they enjoy medicine and want to stay busy. That being said, I doubt that many would quit. What would they do? They will do what our practice (140 doc multi-specialty clinic)-

1. refuse Obamacare patients
2. refuse medicaid patients
3. markedly limit medicare patients

The above three measures would diminish cuts in reimbursement planned and leave many busy practices essentially unaffected. As neither the states nor the feds can compel practices to see certain patients (slavery is illegal), it would only affect marginal practices.
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Old 12-31-2010, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Hitler liked it too.

b-b-b-b-b-b-ut progressives told me he was "right winged"?
Tricky Dick wanted it as well. Romney likes it. Going back, FDR(he nearly accomplished it), Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton.
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Old 12-31-2010, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I don't know what kind of doctors you work with, but most of the ones I know are extremely computer savvy.
Of our five, two are pretty good, the other three, not so much. You do not work with docs, do you?
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Old 12-31-2010, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Tricky Dick wanted it as well. Romney likes it. Going back, FDR(he nearly accomplished it), Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton.
So you named a bunch of progressives from both parties who liked it. What's new?

Romney liked it on the state level. No way in **** he'd approve of it on a national level. You don't like Mass. health care? Move.
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Old 12-31-2010, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Of our five, two are pretty good, the other three, not so much. You do not work with docs, do you?
Every day. Maybe you work with an older demographic? It seems to me that the older generations tend not to be as interested in/more resistant to computers than the more recent grads.
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