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While the first one supports your statement that most people here are conservative; with respect to my poll, the second one supports the idea that most people are socially liberal because it gives a definition of the word "libertarian."
This goes to show how careful you have to be about your polls. Also, polls in their very nature are slanted... only people who participate in polls are counted. The rest of the slackers fly under the radar, but they might be very vocal in other areas.
Where's the option for "I'm Pro-Choice, and as a guy I think I should have a say as to whether I'm going to be saddled with 18 years of mommy support or not"?
I pick that one. Luckily I've navigated the minefield, but some of my brethren have not been so lucky.
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Originally Posted by Who?Me?!
You have a say...wear a condom or get a vasectomy.
If your friends weren't lucky it's because they depended on luck....learn from them.
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Originally Posted by Memphis1979
The woman has the same option to take birth control pills or use a female condom.
Before sex equal responsibility.
"Want to have sex?" Men and women get to say yes or no
During sex equal responsibility
"I want you to use a condom" "I don't care if you use a condom" "I'm on birth control" All equal between men and women on the choices.
Once the baby is conceived, she gets the only say on whether or not the baby is kept or aborted, he gets no say in that at all.
If he would prefer her to get an abortion, wants nothing to do with the child ever, he is still burdened with 18 years of child support, or more.
Not a fair goal. I'm pro choice, I think a woman should get the choice as its her body. But the man also has to sacrifice his body for 18 years of forced labor for a child he doesn't want. Thats not a fair choice.
You know the song "What's love got to do with it".
My brother dated a women who stated she was on the pill.
It was not until she was 4 months pregnant that she told my brother she was pregnant. She kept the baby.
They got married - kinda a shotgun wedding which lasted a whopping 2 months. He pays child support now
for a child he barely sees for 18 years. She remarried and now has more kids.
If that wasn't enough, he gets a call from a family out of
state who say they are the grandparents of a daughter who died in a car accident who had a child.
They said it was my brother's. He had to take a blood test
and it was his.
The grandparents didn't want to keep the 5 year old child
so they had her adopted. My brother had to pay back child
support to a State, up until time child was adopted, for a child he never saw.
The woman had been on welfare up until her death.
He didn't even know she had gotten pregnant because she
moved out of state after they broke up. This woman
also stated she was on the pill when my brother dated her.
My brother wasn't a "playboy". I think he just picked women who lied about being on the pill.
I tell this story to my son OFTEN. So does my brother.
Because of the laws today, men really aren't financially safe when they have sex with any women.
So what's love got to do with it when it comes to having
a baby - sometimes, nothing, except a pay check from the sperm donor.
That's WAY WAAAAYYY too generic. Every lazy pro-choice lady would have chosen that one.
When you create a poll, you have to think about each question and word it to make sure people who don't match up with it aren't going to choose it by accident. You people are impossible to please. Why do I bother?
Yes, why do you bother?
Abortion is legal.
A poll in City Data proves nothing except how SOME people in City Data feel.....
You know the song "What's love got to do with it".
My brother dated a women who stated she was on the pill.
It was not until she was 4 months pregnant that she told my brother she was pregnant. She kept the baby.
They got married - kinda a shotgun wedding which lasted a whopping 2 months. He pays child support now
for a child he barely sees for 18 years. She remarried and now has more kids.
If that wasn't enough, he gets a call from a family out of
state who say they are the grandparents of a daughter who died in a car accident who had a child.
They said it was my brother's. He had to take a blood test
and it was his.
The grandparents didn't want to keep the 5 year old child
so they had her adopted. My brother had to pay back child
support to a State, up until time child was adopted, for a child he never saw.
The woman had been on welfare up until her death.
He didn't even know she had gotten pregnant because she
moved out of state after they broke up. This woman
also stated she was on the pill when my brother dated her.
My brother wasn't a "playboy". I think he just picked women who lied about being on the pill.
I tell this story to my son OFTEN. So does my brother.
Because of the laws today, men really aren't financially safe when they have sex with any women.
So what's love got to do with it when it comes to having
a baby - sometimes, nothing, except a pay check from the sperm donor.
I have no idea what your point is but if all men had vasectomies they wouldn't have to pay child support EVER.
If they hate their children so much they don't want to support them then they should
A. Abstain from sex
B. have a vasectomy
Pro-life. I know that I am a guy, but the majority of my female friends say they are pro-life as well. About half of the older women I know are pro-choice, but most of the younger women (about 60-80%) of the ones I know are pro-life.
That's WAY WAAAAYYY too generic. Every lazy pro-choice lady would have chosen that one.
When you create a poll, you have to think about each question and word it to make sure people who don't match up with it aren't going to choose it by accident. You people are impossible to please. Why do I bother?
I don't buy it. Your poll seems designed to deliberately weed out the people for whom the answer is "Pro-choice, and yes, under certain circumstances not named here." I would even have been OK with checking "Pro-choice, and yes, if I couldn't raise the baby." That's not overly generic but still allows for me to make a decision about whether I COULD raise the baby (such as if it were disabled or I had been raped). Your choices take too many circumstances for granted.
You know the song "What's love got to do with it".
My brother dated a women who stated she was on the pill.
It was not until she was 4 months pregnant that she told my brother she was pregnant. She kept the baby.
They got married - kinda a shotgun wedding which lasted a whopping 2 months. He pays child support now
for a child he barely sees for 18 years. She remarried and now has more kids.
If that wasn't enough, he gets a call from a family out of
state who say they are the grandparents of a daughter who died in a car accident who had a child.
They said it was my brother's. He had to take a blood test
and it was his.
The grandparents didn't want to keep the 5 year old child
so they had her adopted. My brother had to pay back child
support to a State, up until time child was adopted, for a child he never saw.
The woman had been on welfare up until her death.
He didn't even know she had gotten pregnant because she
moved out of state after they broke up. This woman
also stated she was on the pill when my brother dated her.
My brother wasn't a "playboy". I think he just picked women who lied about being on the pill.
I tell this story to my son OFTEN. So does my brother.
Because of the laws today, men really aren't financially safe when they have sex with any women.
So what's love got to do with it when it comes to having
a baby - sometimes, nothing, except a pay check from the sperm donor.
I am sure your brother is a nice man. but he never truly took responsibility for his own birth control did he? like many men who have unprotected sex or are "duped" into thinking the woman has it covered are quite surprised they have a kid come on, are they really that unaware? I don't think so, they are too busy thinking about the now and not caring about the what ifs. . sorta like the mind set pro lifers get so mad about when women don't use birth control. it cuts both ways.
a man not in a completely committed relationship having sex with out taking care of birth control himself is....like your brother on the hook for ALL his babies.
men having countless sexual encounters take responsibility for your sperm. there are men who have more children than your brother, if you make 1 or 8 it is your obligation to support them.
a playboy? a woman who has two babies from two different men are called far worse.
the story to tell your son is not to have sex with out him taking it upon himself to not make a baby, something uncle didn't do. the other thing you should tell your son is not to be an absent father.
your brother has two children and he needs to support them even if he doesn't see them.
he didn't just pick the wrong women he went willing I am sure.
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which lasted a whopping 2 months. He pays child support now
come on, are they really that unaware? I don't think so, they are too busy thinking about the now and not caring about the what ifs. . sorta like the mind set pro lifers get so mad about when women don't use birth control. it cuts both ways.
