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Old 01-07-2011, 08:20 PM
 
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
And claiming it's due to reproductive advances is what ???
Can 2 guys have a baby ?
Can 2 women have a baby ?
Can a single parent have a baby ?

NO..it takes an egg and sperm..female +male, mother + father.

My opinion stands..it's a PC move to keep certain groups happy.
Technically correct, but incorrect at the same time.
Just because a child was born with a given man's sperm doesn't mean he's the legal parent/guardian.
Two women can have a child through artificial insemination, but the man that donated the sperm won't be listed as a legal guardian unless provisions for such are made. The two women would be the "parents".
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Originally Posted by hothulamaui View Post

and this form at the passport office is the very fabric of our lives
I thought that was cotton.
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Originally Posted by Wapasha View Post

If two women adopt a child, let them be "mother #1" and #2, why do they feel the need to eliminate mother and father? Once again, we have to disrespect the majority in order to cater to the small minority.
How on earth is referring to parents as parents disrespectful?
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Oh brother, we gotta change everything for the poor gays so we don't "offend" them. I'm sick and tired of everything being about those homosexuals, they need to get a f-ing life.
They do have a f-ing life. Perhaps that's why you're so mad? Jealous?
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She did well then because most kids with single parents do not fair well at all.
Fare.
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Great so now because I want to be referred to by what I actually am makes me selfish.
You actually are a parent. Your kid can call you mom to your heart's desire. The government doesn't owe you that honorific.
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Over There
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Okay, so the next time you filled out a passport application, cross out "parent" and replace it with "mother".

I'm astonished by the responses to this. Some of you act as if your entire world is collapsing around you because of a change on the U.S. Passport application.
Why is it when someone expresses a view other then one that some feel is right "our world is collapsing". No, we are simply giving our thoughts and feelings on the matter sorry that they do not jive with what YOU feel. I have yet to make any negative statements about the other side as has been done over and over on this thread. I have not been screaming "the sky is falling" I have not said the world as we know it is crashing. I gave my feelings and they are mocked and made into jokes. I have been respectful to the other side and have NOT received that back. I find it amazing that people want more tolerance but give none in return. You want us to "see things from your" POV but just and mock ours. Glass houses you know!
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:21 PM
 
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Yes to all of the above.
There can be a number one without a number two?

Like 1-0 babies?

1-1 babies?

0-1 babies?

Once the State gets in high gear, 1010110001111010101 babies.
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Over There
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No, because you're still seen as a mother.

No passport form will change that.

But why should I have to have it changed? Why are my feelings on being called mother on the form not taken into consideration?
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Why is it when someone expresses a view other then one that some feel is right "our world is collapsing". No, we are simply giving our thoughts and feelings on the matter sorry that they do not jive with what YOU feel. I have yet to make any negative statements about the other side as has been done over and over on this thread. I have not been screaming "the sky is falling" I have not said the world as we know it is crashing. I gave my feelings and they are mocked and made into jokes. I have been respectful to the other side and have NOT received that back. I find it amazing that people want more tolerance but give none in return. You want us to "see things from your" POV but just and mock ours. Glass houses you know!

You can mock my point of view as much as you want.

I don't throw stones unless I can take 'em.

But the idiotic outrage on this grain of sand in the desert that is the world is quite overblown.
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:23 PM
 
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You are missing the difference. No you do not have to list your race but now on the PP you WILL be Parent 1 or 2 no choice. I for one am very proud to be a mom. I am a good mom and proud to be called such. I fail to see why it makes me or any other person some how "not tolerant" because we are proud that we are female and moms.
And guess what. You can ask your children to call you "Mom" (or whatever variant, "Mama" or "Mother" or "Ma"). You can tell your friends and family you're a mother. Don't let one form tear down your identity. You'll still be a mom even if a form reads "Parent".

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Originally Posted by ergohead
Depersonalized and dehumanized right down to comrade.

A number of the State.
How is "parent" an impersonal or inhuman term? Last time I checked, only living things could be parents. Though I have to admit it'd be kind of cool if I could go to my toaster for advice or money.

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Originally Posted by HappyTexan
And claiming it's due to reproductive advances is what ???
Can 2 guys have a baby ?
Can 2 women have a baby ?
Can a single parent have a baby ?

NO..it takes an egg and sperm..female +male, mother + father.

My opinion stands..it's a PC move to keep certain groups happy.
But biological parents don't always equal legal guardians, so what's biologically possible is irrelevant. There are plenty of people who have straight parents or single parents that are still not biologically related to one or both, such as in the case of adopted kids, step-children, half-children, kids who have been taken in by their aunt/uncle or grandparents, etc. Again this isn't just about gay people, or groups trying to be PC. It's just about reflecting society.
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You know what other group is awesome?

The Protomen.

Advocating freedom for all humans everywhere from the Wily menance.

Off topic convo is awesome.
Off topic ?" Well go back to post #1 and read the article.
But go ahead and deny and deflect.
I could care less that the terms were changed.
But call a spade a spade here as to why it was done.

From the OP link:
“Changing the term mother and father to the more global term of parent allows many different types of families to be able to go and apply for a passport for their child without feeling like the government doesn’t recognize their family,” said Jennifer Chrisler, executive director of Family Equality Council.
Her organization lobbied the government for several years to remove the words from passport applications. "
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Over There
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But this is a case where there's no harm done to anyone except those with ridiculous imaginations, who somehow think that calling a mother a "parent" is going to bring the downfall of American society.

Get over it, indeed.

Your opinion. If it is so ridiculous then why does it have to be changed?
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Over There
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You actually are a parent. Your kid can call you mom to your heart's desire. The government doesn't owe you that honorific.
And why does any other group deserve what they want but others do not. Please tell me what groups are allowed to make demands and which ones are not.
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