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Old 01-10-2011, 02:50 PM
 
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Try the former in a public place like a church and see hpw long you can go before you have a cop at your door.

Free speech has nothing to do with the right to preach or promote hate. Remember McCarthy?

Regards
DL
McCarthy pointed out, accurately, that the State Department was infested with Communist agents. Now that Soviet archives have been declassified, we have discovered that he was right. Harry Dexter White and Whittaker Chambers, two individuals lionized by liberals as innocent martyrs destroyed by anti-communist hysteria, turned out to be Soviet agents all along. McCarthy was an angry man. But he was angry for a reason - American interests were being subverted by an elite core of Soviet agents - and the inbred old boy's club of Ivy Leaguers who ran Washington did not want to hear anything bad about those of their college buddies who had gone over to the other side, never mind do anything about it.

 
Old 01-10-2011, 02:59 PM
 
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Are Western Churches and Governments promoting hate?
You pick one instance and then use a blanket statement.

Would it be OK if I dredged up one occurrence of a gay person preaching socialist ideals and then ask "Are gays promoting socialism?"

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Anti-Semitism is a hate crime. Should anti-Gay be?
Since you brought this topic up in a religious setting......

If gays are a religious group, yes, otherwise no.

Definition of Antisemitism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism
 
Old 01-11-2011, 10:01 AM
 
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McCarthy pointed out, accurately, that the State Department was infested with Communist agents. Now that Soviet archives have been declassified, we have discovered that he was right. Harry Dexter White and Whittaker Chambers, two individuals lionized by liberals as innocent martyrs destroyed by anti-communist hysteria, turned out to be Soviet agents all along. McCarthy was an angry man. But he was angry for a reason - American interests were being subverted by an elite core of Soviet agents - and the inbred old boy's club of Ivy Leaguers who ran Washington did not want to hear anything bad about those of their college buddies who had gone over to the other side, never mind do anything about it.
McCarthy was not chastised for being right. He was chastised for those many more times when he was wrong in judging, discriminating and denigrating those that did not deserve it.

To victimize those who do not create victims in any way, Gays, is immoral.

Regards
DL
 
Old 01-11-2011, 10:05 AM
 
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You pick one instance and then use a blanket statement.

Would it be OK if I dredged up one occurrence of a gay person preaching socialist ideals and then ask "Are gays promoting socialism?"

Since you brought this topic up in a religious setting......

If gays are a religious group, yes, otherwise no.

Definition of Antisemitism:

Antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
COUNTERING ANTI-SEMITISM AND HATE IN CANADA TODAY

If you notice the language used here, Gays are just as much an identifiable group as Jews and just as eligible for protection under the law.

Regards
DL
 
Old 01-11-2011, 10:07 AM
 
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Expressing any point of view right or wrong is no crime. However acting on said crimes you promote is by all means a crime. Sometimes i feel some use their Church as a tool, to promote something other then what a Church stands for. It is never good to carry any religion to a extreme.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 10:14 AM
 
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I really don't thnik that those two represent chriatian mainstream at all. Certainly no more than violent secualr gropus or individuals represent the mainstream secualr society.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 10:21 AM
 
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No, but mosques and Islamic schools (http://www.hatefreeamerica.com/islamic-school.html - broken link) definitely do.

FYI, the Westboro Baptist 'Church' isn't a real church at all, it's made up of a disbarred lawyer named Fred Phelps and his litigant family.
Correct, they are not a real church. They are a corporation and are not listed on the Kansas Sec. of State's website under 501(c)3 organizations.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 10:22 AM
 
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COUNTERING ANTI-SEMITISM AND HATE IN CANADA TODAY

If you notice the language used here, Gays are just as much an identifiable group as Jews and just as eligible for protection under the law.

Regards
DL
If you'll notice, Canada does not recognize a right of her subjects to free speech.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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McCarthy pointed out, accurately, that the State Department was infested with Communist agents. Now that Soviet archives have been declassified, we have discovered that he was right. Harry Dexter White and Whittaker Chambers, two individuals lionized by liberals as innocent martyrs destroyed by anti-communist hysteria, turned out to be Soviet agents all along. McCarthy was an angry man. But he was angry for a reason - American interests were being subverted by an elite core of Soviet agents - and the inbred old boy's club of Ivy Leaguers who ran Washington did not want to hear anything bad about those of their college buddies who had gone over to the other side, never mind do anything about it.
I agree with your post but must add a correction. It was White and Alger Hiss who were lionized by the Left. Whittaker Chambers was the one who turned his back on communism and testifed against Hiss before the House UnAmeican Activies Committee (HUAC) and at Hiss' trial for perjury before that same committee.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 11:28 AM
 
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They are the most vocal of the Churches perhaps but they say in public what the majority of U S churches preach.

Michael Moore speaks to the backward U S states that have the same values as Phelps.

You cannot run and hide. Christianity and Islam are in bed on this issue.

P S. Westborough, as I understand it, are tax exempt and that makes them a Church.

Regards
DL
Links to prove your points, please?
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