Should women in the military be allowed to fight in direct combat units? (money, government)

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by WannaliveinGreenville

No, I give you that ! I am just saying , based on your years of experience, shouldn't the women have their own camp to be trained in ?

Otherwise if everything was one camp, then you and I would be taking a shower together ?

Don't care about that....for the last 12 years there are only 2 people I have had to impress...my wife and son.....

Seen naked women, seen neaked women in a pile by themselves...but their is nothing like my wife ....

And no, if they want to go infantry....they should do like every other guy and train for it....if they pass they get in....if not see ya....


BTW, the EIB in an infantry unit is the standard....if not..you get booted (I think).

[Casper in Dallas]

Folks, it is not about getting a EIB, it is about getting a CIB, THAT is when it counts.
Casper

[Wapasha]

Originally Posted by southbel

Gotcha. Figured it would be. I would completely fail as for some reason I completely SUCK at navigation. The night time navigation was nearly comical for me. Thank goodness I did not go into an MOS that required good navigation skills.

Or just bring extra batteries for your GPS.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Wapasha

If you read my first post, I clearly said we need one standard, and everyone needs to comply with it, this would include one barracks, one shower, and no special exclusions. I know that the reality of the current culture will never allow this, but the military should be about national defense, not about diversity to appease political correctness of the modern civilian culture.

I understand your point..

but reality is.. one standard would be very difficult

that 99% of females dont have the upperbody strengh of males

50% of females have 1-3 days a month that they can be in severe pain...some breeze through it..some dont

100% of females have 'extra' needs as far as personal hygene


there is no way to 'set a standard' that would be WORKABLE to GET THE JOB DONE that can meet the same for males and females

I have met a very few that would even come close to doing the job..but even they would say that spending 45 days in the field with no shower would be too much

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Wapasha

Or just bring extra batteries for your GPS.

and when those fail..or the satalite goes down




basics..get back to the basics...a map, a compass and a protractor

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

I understand your point..

but reality is..

that 99% of females dont have the upperbody strengh of males

50% of females have 1-3 days a month that they can be in severe pain...some breeze through it..some dont

100% of females have 'extra' needs as far as personal hygene


there is no way to 'set a standard' that would be WORKABLE to GET THE JOB DONE that can meet the same for males and females

I have met a very few that would even come close to doing the job..but even they would say that spending 45 days in the field with no shower would be too much

Then they fail.....

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas

Folks, it is not about getting a EIB, it is about getting a CIB, THAT is when it counts.
Casper

yes and no

the CIB is easier..its not a skill test..its being there and being in the correct mos and unit

[southbel]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

and when those fail..or the satalite goes down




basics..get basic to the basics...a map, a compass and a protractor

We did our navigation course with a compass and I'll say this. If I'm stuck out somewhere with only a compass to guide me, I'm screwed.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

Then they fail.....

eh....


then we would be kicking a lot of females out even now WITHOUT even talking about combatunit or not combat unit

the standard for pushups JUST TO PASS is about 42 (depending on age) for males...about 15 for females...and many females have trouble doing those 15

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by southbel

We did our navigation course with a compass and I'll say this. If I'm stuck out somewhere with only a compass to guide me, I'm screwed.

Land Nav was always one of my best subjects..and one of my hardest in grading as an instructor