Don't ask. Don't tell. (September 11, dollar, elect, federal government)
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There are very few gang latrines in the military.
If there's someone gay in one, they've been showering with you if you knew it or not.
Trust me, most gays are not interested in straight people.
Ever go to a public gym, swimming pool, etc.
Oooooh, there are gay people there.
Yeah but they're not telling all of us that their gay.
All I'm saying is from what I heard there's alot of homophobia, racism, and bigotry within the army. I know nothing on the issue and don't have strong feelings either way on the subject. Just trying to learn a little more about it.
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Originally Posted by JetJockey
It's also just a bit arrogant to think that just because you're around a gay person of the same sex that they're automatically going to want to have sex with you. Then, they get offended if you tell them that
I don't want to have sex with every man I come in contact with, if I were a lesbian I'd feel the same way about women.
Yeah but I'm extremely attractive so I don't have that luxury.....
OK. I have no problem with that. If a gay or lesbian wants to serve their country then they should be allowed to. I just think it would be easier for them to stay in the closet. The military isn't the most understanding environment.
The Don't Ask Don't Tell policy is much more than just asking them to "stay in the closet".
For example, many people have been dismissed due to the fact that they had been "outed" by fellow servicemen when if fact they had never come out. Meaning, other soldiers who suspect other people are gay (maybe because, oh, they don't talk about their girlfriends that often) can report you.
Another example is a sailor being dismissed because his cell phone was confiscated because he brought it into the wrong area. Well, people snooped around his phone and found pictures (non pornographic) of his boyfriend. He was questioned about it and dismissed under DADT.
So assuming that those being dismissed are actually coming out is wrong, because DADT involves vicious investigations into ones personal life that heterosexuals wouldn't have.
The Don't Ask Don't Tell policy is much more than just asking them to "stay in the closet".
For example, many people have been dismissed due to the fact that they had been "outed" by fellow servicemen when if fact they had never come out. Meaning, other soldiers who suspect other people are gay (maybe because, oh, they don't talk about their girlfriends that often) can report you.
Another example is a sailor being dismissed because his cell phone was confiscated because he brought it into the wrong area. Well, people snooped around his phone and found pictures (non pornographic) of his boyfriend. He was questioned about it and dismissed under DADT.
So assuming that those being dismissed are actually coming out is wrong, because DADT involves vicious investigations into ones personal life that heterosexuals wouldn't have.
This is the kind of informative post I was looking for.
This is the kind of informative post I was looking for.
Thank you.
I thought most homosexuals who left the military did so by voluntarily outing themselves, either publicly or thru their chain of command, and not thru witch hunts or whatever.
OK. I have no problem with that. If a gay or lesbian wants to serve their country then they should be allowed to. I just think it would be easier for them to stay in the closet. The military isn't the most understanding environment.
The decision whether to stay in the closet or come out should be up to the individual. Now it is.
Yeah but they're not telling all of us that their gay.
The point isn't to tell you that they are gay. The point is to give them the option to do so (if they so choose) without it being an offence which could get them discharged.
And some people were discharged because they were found out, not because they told anyone.
OK. I have no problem with that. If a gay or lesbian wants to serve their country then they should be allowed to. I just think it would be easier for them to stay in the closet. The military isn't the most understanding environment.
They weren't staying in the closet. They had gay relationships and gay lives. They were burdened with keeping their relationships and lives a secret from their co-workers. And if the secret got out, they lost their jobs. That's a burden that shouldn't be forced on people.
OK. I have no problem with that. If a gay or lesbian wants to serve their country then they should be allowed to. I just think it would be easier for them to stay in the closet. The military isn't the most understanding environment.
One aspect of the former policy was that even when people attempted to keep their business to themselves they would find others either eager to out them or have been outed inadvertently. Having said that, I seriously doubt that gays and lesbians in the military, just like in civilian life, will jumping at the bit to advertise their gayness without taking into consideration how it will be received by others. But, as a result of the new policy they don't have serve while looking over their shoulder for fear that someone might find out.
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