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Old 01-26-2011, 10:35 AM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
what???

'refund' a proposed??

do you understand economics or budgets by even a tiny bit

your income is 100,000...you budget 98,000...you have a PROPOSED ballanced budget with a PROPOSED 2k surplus...but then your cars tranny goes($900).. and then the clothers washer goes (600), and then you decide to buy a 55" lcd (1000)...guess what your proposed 2k surplus just became a 500 deficit


get the point

clinton and newt did a good job of TRYING to ballance the budget and came CLOSE to having surpluses...there were BUDGET surpluses..but the OFFBUDGET (ie emergiencies)(ie hurricaine floyd) EXPENSES will take those 'surpluses' and turn them into deficits

what surplus

Fiscal
Year........ YearEnding.... ..National Debt.......... Deficit

FY1994.... 09/30/1994.... $4.192749 trillion.... $281.26 billion
FY1995.... 09/29/1995.... $4.973982 trillion.... $281.23 billion
FY1996.... 09/30/1996.... $5.224810 trillion.... $250.83 billion
FY1997.... 09/30/1997.... $5.413146 trillion.... $188.34 billion
FY1998.... 09/30/1998.... $5.526193 trillion.... $113.05 billion
FY1999.... 09/30/1999.... $5.656270 trillion.... $130.08 billion
FY2000.... 09/29/2000.... $5.674178 trillion.... $17.91 billion
FY2001.... 09/28/2001.... $5.807463 trillion.... $133.29 billion



and wages did NOT outperform REAL inflation
You are mistaking the national debt for massive federal budget surpluses.

Can you cite any reference for your contention of Real inflation versus nominal inflation? Why did a subsequent republican administration decide to refund those excess monies, if they did not exist as federal budget surpluses?
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:38 AM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Lets just say I give you a wheel barrow of free money. You get to go spend it on what ever you want, and so quit your job because this free money is piled high in that wheelbarrow.

Pretty much there is enough to last 5 years, and you don't need to worry about squat, and can buy almost anything you desire.

Are you still going to pay any attention to what else I am doing? OF course not, you won't take a second glance over your shoulder to see what I am doing once.

Bill figured this out easy. He wasn't called Slick Willie for nothing ya know.

When everyone was rollin around in free money, he was selling to red commie china, which he knew was cash in his pocket and would never be caught. Bill the Bandit made out far better for giving away a little money, and selling out where that money came from to red commie china than he could any other way, and the chinses are not going to give it back.

The chinese clone expensive sneakers brands every day and put on the exact same logos too you should know that. The chinese steal parts and machines designs everyday, and copy these parts exactly, with lower grade materials such as auto coolant in clothings, sulfur in sheet rock and sell that junk back to us at a huge profit since the average chinese laborer works for about 1 dollar a day.

I got some nice Cablellas sandals you can have. These were made in red commie china a fact i missed when i ordered them on line. The problem is if that you wear them for 20 minutes you will have a posion ivy like rash for the next 10 days sartin! You want these? I will pay the shipping too?

There is auto coolant in dog and cat foods made to export to the USA, and lead paint in childrens toys as well. You know how the EPA chased down everyone who rented out any Apt with any lead paint doncha?

Bill the Bandit made a Royal killing, and his wife all the while was getting shot at at some airport miles from any battlefields.

All Bill had to do was turn attention away from him for a few brief moments and sell the rug right out from under us.

He made a deal in the bushes that day he stepped out with 2 ducks in one had and a trap gun in the other, that is no duck gun. He said Hunters can staill allways shoot ducks with their same old rifles they always shot ducks with too. The problem was it's always been illegal to shoot ducks with any rfles. That was the first time I saw any hunter in a light blue shirt wearing a red neck tie too. I thought that was funny myself.

Bill cut a few other deals like trading barrels of oil, for barrels of potatoes and in the doing some Arabs wound up owning a lot of Vermont.

Then that point in time came when Bill got confused in his lies, and sent some patriot missiles into Saudi, think it was was a box of fine Cuban cigars. I will admitt on paper these 2 items look alike, and since that day Bill's days haven't ever looked so good as they had.

Then the economy turned down and it hasn't stopped heading down since.

So far as i can tell the only good thing is the EPA hasn't banned a good Cuban cigar yet.
Which free money are you referring to if we had the lowest unemployment in thirty years?
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:40 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If government builds it and supplies it to you, how indebted are you going to be to our government?
To the level of them really being reeducation camps.
Once they have you hooked, it is very hard to ween you off.

This is how the Socialist momentum started in Germany, after the first world war and the Weimar Republic.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:49 AM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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How does your point of view account for public works such as Hoover Dam?
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:50 AM
 
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Default Americans are MORONS

Honestly Americans truly are morons. This is exactly what happens in Brazil and other places. The government comes in rounds up the poor gives them a patch of land and some plywood/boards and they build shacktowns. This my friends is the future of America for a few reasons. One is the decline of the White Population and the increase of the third world and black populations who have no problem with this. As we lower our standards we will be destroyed this happens in all societies. Third World Nations regularly round up their people for various reasons.

The facts are the Magic Kenyan Obama is lying to you. Prosperity is impossible now at a large level. This is more because of computers and robotics than from outsourcing and those things. One computer can now do the work of hundreds of people. The Supercomputer in China can do the work of thousands. Soon there will be computers that take over a few million jobs. Okay lets figure out the math on this. If the computers take most of the jobs and only a small number of programmers are needed where do all the rest of the people work? Answer THEY DONT.

The government will want rid of these useless eaters and environmental drains so the elites will start mass human extermination. Simple as that.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:53 AM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Fortunately, we can be as moronic as we want because our Founding Fathers did such an excellent job at the convention, with our Constitution. They even provided a means to raise money for the general welfare.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:54 AM
 
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Which free money are you referring to if we had the lowest unemployment in thirty years?
Economies arent controlled by Presidents. God you Americans are stupid. Economies are all run from the city of London by Rothschild and his buddies. Booms and Busts are needed so you can buy low sell high and liquidate and acquire assets. Clinton was just another Bush Crime Family stooge who had Greenspan and his Middle Eastern brothers swindle us and sell it all to China. Wal Mart was funded by the proceeds of the CIA COCAINE trade through Mena Arkansas in the 1980s.

Any FOOL who still supports the CLINTONS or any of them by this point is just the type of person who puts Keeping Up with the Kardashians or 16 and Pregnant on the television. That is a duped moron who will do anything the Shylocks tell him to do.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You are mistaking the national debt for massive federal budget surpluses.

?
no mistaking

the chart clearly shows not only the national debt..BUT THE YEARLY DEFICIT
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Old 01-26-2011, 12:01 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Economies arent controlled by Presidents. God you Americans are stupid. Economies are all run from the city of London by Rothschild and his buddies. Booms and Busts are needed so you can buy low sell high and liquidate and acquire assets. Clinton was just another Bush Crime Family stooge who had Greenspan and his Middle Eastern brothers swindle us and sell it all to China. Wal Mart was funded by the proceeds of the CIA COCAINE trade through Mena Arkansas in the 1980s.

Any FOOL who still supports the CLINTONS or any of them by this point is just the type of person who puts Keeping Up with the Kardashians or 16 and Pregnant on the television. That is a duped moron who will do anything the Shylocks tell him to do.
Forgive me for being naive enough to think we pay our own elected representatives to government, and provide them with public emoluments, so that they will do a good job in office.
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Old 01-26-2011, 12:03 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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no mistaking

the chart clearly shows not only the national debt..BUT THE YEARLY DEFICIT
Your chart may be off. Here is another chart which better illustrates the concept:

US Budget Deficit or Surplus 1960-present (http://www.scribd.com/doc/3015540/US-Budget-Deficit-or-Surplus-1960present - broken link)
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