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Old 01-15-2011, 02:26 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Your point? The thread is a comprehensive list of taxes in Obamacare. Those are still taxes are they not?
MOgal, I think that few of these people realize that taxes on businesses are passed on to consumers, always. They aren't about going to discuss what you said unless they have a FactCheck article to use. We are only into this year of new taxes two weeks and they can still try to hide it all from the rest of us.
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Old 01-15-2011, 02:27 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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There are over 12 new taxes listed in that link from the OP and somehow it seems that some of the people here want to only talk about the fact that what employers spend on their employees. How about all the other new and increased taxes in the list?
The others on the list tend to impact the taxes of very few individuals. That is why it isn't discussed more. The employer benefit one is simply a bald face lie. The one that would impact the most people is the one that is going to get discussed the most, and that one just happens to be a major lie.
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Old 01-15-2011, 02:29 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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MOgal, I think that few of these people realize that taxes on businesses are passed on to consumers, always. They aren't about going to discuss what you said unless they have a FactCheck article to use. We are only into this year of new taxes two weeks and they can still try to hide it all from the rest of us.
Its in many cases an offset. For example when someone without Insurance goes to the ER & Hospital and can't afford the bills, who do you think those costs get passed on to??
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Old 01-15-2011, 02:55 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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I will say this, the requirement of employers to provide health insurance will actually cost jobs at my husband's employer. He works for a small business owner. In order to keep their employees and minimize layoffs, all employees took a small paycut, the owner took a huge one, and as a result, they have been able to stay in business and business appears it might be picking up. Once the requirement for health insurance kicks in, this will easily cost at least 1-2 employees' jobs.

When my husband decided to work for them, he was well aware of the lack of benefits but wanted to work there anyway because they are the best in his field in the area (commercial landscaping). In addition, he knew he could be on my insurance. I know there will be people that say this business should offer insurance but it's a small business, it will not get favorable insurance rates, and by the very nature of being a small business, has to keep overhead costs low. They have approximately 200 employees.

We're fortunate in my town because it's very pro local small businesses and this policy will hurt our local community quite a bit.
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Old 01-15-2011, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Surely you could provide links to some of those others so I could find out what you are talking about.
I've posted these before and the information is available to everyone on the internet.
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Old 01-15-2011, 09:19 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Many of those on the list aren't on individuals, and most of the ones that are on individuals on the list are on the higher income amounts
Incorrect. Read the Washington Post article again...
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You also discover that the biggest portion of the money comes from people who make less than $200,000. That's not exactly rich -- especially not for those of us in high-cost areas on the East and West coasts.
I'm not getting this information from some secret source passing me documents in a parking garage -- it's from an analysis last month by the staff of Congress's Joint Committee on Taxation for Rep. Joe Courtney (D-Conn.).
...If you eyeball the last eight pages of the report -- which are confusingly numbered 1 through 8 -- you see that the biggest number of tax dollars comes from people who earn between $100,000 and $200,000. You also see that the impact on people in the $1 million-plus range -- most of whom probably really are rich -- is relatively trivial.
Allan Sloan - Excise tax on 'Cadillac' health-care plans is a bad idea - washingtonpost.com

Small businesses and moderate income individuals are going to get slammed by Obamacare taxes.
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Old 01-15-2011, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Incorrect. Read the Washington Post article again...Allan Sloan - Excise tax on 'Cadillac' health-care plans is a bad idea - washingtonpost.com

Small businesses and moderate income individuals are going to get slammed by Obamacare taxes.
The amounts, the thresholds, etc were pushed upward with the reconciliation package. The article predates that.
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:04 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The amounts, the thresholds, etc were pushed upward with the reconciliation package. The article predates that.
The reconciliation bill didn't change much, just delays the inception.
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"The reconciliation bill would revise and delay implementation of the excise tax on "Cadillac" health plans, currently the most significant revenue raiser in the Senate health care legislation. Under the bill, the excise tax would apply to employerprovided health plans with annual premiums exceeding $27,500 for families and $10,200 for individuals. The premium thresholds for retirees and employees in high-risk professions would be set at $30,950 for families and $11,850 for individuals. The thresholds would be indexed for general inflation. The premium thresholds would be further increased in 2018 if Congressional Budget Office projections regarding premium inflation between 2010 and 2018 underestimate cost growth. (The premium thresholds in the Senate-passed bill are $23,000 for families and $8,500 for individuals.) Dental and vision plans would not be included when calculating the total benefit value. The proposal retains exceptions in the Senate legislation for policies covering persons employed in certain high-risk occupations."
U.S. Tax: House health care reconciliation package includes new Medicare tax on unearned income

Small businesses and moderate income individuals will still get slammed by the tax on cadillac plans due to the fact that they simply do not get the low insurance rates large corporations do. Add to that the insult to injury of Obama's exemption granted to union employees. Union employees can get the best of the best cadillac plan and not be taxed a dime.
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Old 01-15-2011, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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The reconciliation bill didn't change much, just delays the inception.

U.S. Tax: House health care reconciliation package includes new Medicare tax on unearned income

Small businesses and moderate income individuals will still get slammed by the tax on cadillac plans due to the fact that they simply do not get the low insurance rates large corporations do. Add to that the insult to injury of Obama's exemption granted to union employees. Union employees can get the best of the best cadillac plan and not be taxed a dime.
Excellent point! That is exactly what is going to happen to the small business my husband works for. Even though their business has picked up a bit, they will not hire new workers right now because of these upcoming costs. Likely will have to lay off a few.
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Old 01-15-2011, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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It's a small business killer. Just look at the larger businesses (and unions) who are crying about the added costs who have subsequently been given exemptions. Well, the small businesses don't have lobbyists to request exemptions but will have to pay out the nose.
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