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Old 01-12-2011, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Union County
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How long before the county starts to bankrupt their pensions?

Newt Gingrich Pushing Bill To Allow States To File Bankruptcy Allowing Them To Renege On Pension And Benefit Obligations | zero hedge

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Proponents of the measure — which include Americans for Tax Reform, a Washington lobby group that fights tax increases — said the legislation is desperately needed to clear the way for struggling states to slash costs before they go belly up, and should be regarded as a preemptive move that could preclude the need for massive federal bailouts.

Read more: http://www.pionline.com/article/2011...#ixzz1AqF9AMT8
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Old 01-12-2011, 11:33 AM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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In my opinion, that point of view and line of reasoning can be considered advocating for fiscal irresponsibility; and lessens any confidence in the sincerity of those of the point of view that it was republicans under a democratic administration that the republicans were for more fiscal responsibility, rather than less fiscal responsibility.

It would also violate Article 1, Section 10 of our federal Constitution regarding any impairment in the Obligation of Contracts. Why is it mainly those on the "right" that advocate being repugnant to our own supreme Law of the Land; as a moral and ethic?

Our Founding Fathers did an excellent job at the convention, with our Constitution; they even provided a specifically enumerated general power to pay the Debts of any of the several United States providing for their general welfare.
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Old 01-12-2011, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Default Gingrich Proposes Allowing State Bankruptcies, To Escape Pension Obligations

Interesting he is willing to go after negotiated pensions of states, how about the pensions of US Congressmen.


"As a way to let state governments, and taxpayers, off the hook for paying the trillions in pension benefits they have promised to their workers, presidential hopeful and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has proposed changing federal laws, so that states can go bankrupt. True, state pension plans"


Gingrich Proposes Allowing State Bankruptcies, To Escape Pension Obligations - CBS MoneyWatch.com
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Old 01-12-2011, 01:54 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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I could get behind this, so long as it applied to ALL of that given state's government employees' pensions, including their former Congressmen (and their spouses - I read somewhere that even their spouses qualify for pension benefits).
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Old 01-12-2011, 01:58 PM
 
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Interesting he is willing to go after negotiated pensions of states, how about the pensions of US Congressmen.


"As a way to let state governments, and taxpayers, off the hook for paying the trillions in pension benefits they have promised to their workers, presidential hopeful and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has proposed changing federal laws, so that states can go bankrupt. True, state pension plans"


Gingrich Proposes Allowing State Bankruptcies, To Escape Pension Obligations - CBS MoneyWatch.com
Does he have any proposals for the Federal Government to escape THEIR pension obligations?

Didn't think so.
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Old 01-12-2011, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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I could get behind this, so long as it applied to ALL of that given state's government employees' pensions, including their former Congressmen (and their spouses - I read somewhere that even their spouses qualify for pension benefits).
I agree. Individuals can declare bankruptcy and states should be able too as well --but it will come with a huge hit to their credit rating which means it will be much harder for them to borrow money in the future. Actually, now that I think about it, that's a good thing too.
GM should have been allowed to go bankrupt as well to let them esacape their onerous pensions and be able to really compete with foreign car companies.
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Old 01-12-2011, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Newt Gingrich will never be President. He's lost credibility with a lot of conservatives I've known due to his past comments.
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Old 01-12-2011, 04:42 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Newt Gingrich will never be President. He's lost credibility with a lot of conservatives I've known due to his past comments.
Once a weasel, always a weasel.
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Old 01-12-2011, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I agree. Individuals can declare bankruptcy and states should be able too as well --but it will come with a huge hit to their credit rating which means it will be much harder for them to borrow money in the future. Actually, now that I think about it, that's a good thing too.
GM should have been allowed to go bankrupt as well to let them esacape their onerous pensions and be able to really compete with foreign car companies.
Good point and the actually the theme of the last few years, do we need to continueto support bad decisions for adults avoiding the consequences? If you don't get punished for your mistakes then why worry.
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Old 01-12-2011, 08:08 PM
 
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The rerality is that staes can not declare bankrupsy. Ifn they di their creitors could divide any assets which most staes have plenty of. The losers would be the people really has that ends all services.Can you even imgine what would happen tot heir trying to borrow money for a bond issue for instance.
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