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Rev. Wright does not think the blacks and whites are separate species.
Have you read the studies Rev. Wright mentioned?
Recently I've read parts of Eric Jensen's "Teaching with poverty in mind". In it, among other topics, he writes about studies which show how "Chronic exposure to poverty causes the brain to physically change in a detrimental manner".
Being aware of the possible differences on what may be affecting individual children learning capabilities enables the educator to deal with the issues. Ignoring the issues is probably one of the factors that contributes to the lack of success in with certain population groups.
Rev. Wright own academic experience (four advanced degrees) speaks to whether or not blacks can be successful in European-American academic models. Surely he is aware of his own success.
I've heard many testimonials from kids who have attended Trinity. The kids I've seen don't appear to view themselves as victims or incapable of achieving success.
BTW: Trinity recently started a charter school. I think they are currently K-3. It will be interesting to see the testing results as the kids reach the grades where the standardized testing kicks in.
Trinity promotes black nationalism, and Wright appears to be trying to make a "scientific" case for it, to try to "legitimize" it...just as some white nationalists do.
Today, as we celebrate the birthday of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., signs of King’s legacy are everywhere - in government, business, sports, the arts. The president and his attorney general are black. We have had two highly respected African-American secretaries of State.
In Massachusetts, our governor and chief justice are black. Blacks lead some of this country’s most powerful business institutions, including American Express, Merrill Lynch, Xerox and Aetna. And in the fields of sports and entertainment, many of our nation’s most identifiable cultural icons are black.
Gone are the days when successful black politicians, business leaders and celebrities were considered novelties or tokens. That black Americans have achieved so much since the 1963 March on Washington is cause for celebration indeed.
Yet in 2011, many liberals regard black conservatives - indeed any African-American who questions the liberal establishment - not only as novelties, but as ignorant or traitors to their race.
The classic example, of course, is Justice Clarence Thomas. After almost two decades on the U.S. Supreme Court, the left still regards Thomas as an intellectually weak “Uncle Tom” - never mind that most of Thomas’s critics have read not a word of his scholarly opinions.
I have never heard anyone refer to Clarence Thomas as "intellectually weak". An Uncle Tom definitely. I imagine you can see why. Still, while staunch conservatives might be a relative rarity in the African American community they are far less so in the various ethnic strains of the African diaspora that find a home in America. I am holding down the Liberal line in an otherwise staunchly conservative Caribbean American bloodline. Some of my uncles make Thomas look like a moderate.
If this thread is going to devolve into intra-ethnic infighting then lets put it all out there in the interest of fairness. You mentioned some black CEO's and point to that as an example of progress. You mentioned four black CEO's out of a possible 64 were black men (or women) acheiving leadership positions in the Fortune 500 in proportion to their representation in the population. A cause celebre? Sorry, my standards for when to let go and woo hoo are a lot higher than the author of that piece.
Black men earn 52 cents for every dollar a white man earns. Black women earn 72 cents, the same as white women. Because they are smarter? Better? Nope. Pure politics. If black women or white punsters use this elevation of black women as ammunition to sow dissent in the black community it will be tragic. I see things unraveling already. The tail does not wag the dog and black men aren't going to magically achieve parity in earning, etc. by force of will. Just saying.
Generally, it's true...African immigrants do not have a favorable or sympathic view towards black Americans. And many are very much opposed to any of their family members mixing with black Americans.
How do you know this? Who told you? I can guaran-fricken-tee that i know more African immigrants than you do.
I think this stuff is parroted by people who don't like black folks to begin with, so they feel that if even other blacks don't like African Americans, then their dislike is justified too!
That's what all of this comes down to.
Besides, as an African-American, i couldn't give a damn less about what African immigrants think. Whatever opportunities they have here, they have because African-Americans fought for them. Were they in Selma and Bombingham?
How do you know this? Who told you? I can guaran-fricken-tee that i know more African immigrants than you do.
I think this stuff is parroted by people who don't like black folks to begin with, so they feel that if even other blacks don't like African Americans, then their dislike is justified too!
That's what all of this comes down to.
Besides, as an African-American, i couldn't give a damn less about what African immigrants think. Whatever opportunities they have here, they have because African-Americans fought for them. Were they in Selma and Bombingham?
Touche.
Not just African immigrants, but Caribbeans, Latins and Asians too. All owe African Americans a huge debt.
How do you know this? Who told you? I can guaran-fricken-tee that i know more African immigrants than you do.
I think this stuff is parroted by people who don't like black folks to begin with, so they feel that if even other blacks don't like African Americans, then their dislike is justified too!
That's what all of this comes down to.
Besides, as an African-American, i couldn't give a damn less about what African immigrants think. Whatever opportunities they have here, they have because African-Americans fought for them. Were they in Selma and Bombingham?
The tensions between African immigrants and black Americans are pretty well-known and documented. Most people with a working and/or social knowledge are fully aware of this. Look it up sometime. It is also right in line with what I have personally witnessed and experienced over many years. YMMV.
African immigrants generally have difficulty understanding and vice versa because the histories and experiences differ significantly. Africans have a general view that black Americans fail to take advantage of opportunities they (Africans) take advantage of. Africans work with the system, not against it...and some black Americans resent that too. The majority of African immigrants arrived after these advantages became available, and American failure to take advantage of that is viewed negatively.
In other words, Africans, and others, come to the US with a somewhat fresher view of the opportunities, not mired with the difficulties of the past, neither ours nor theirs. One thing is certain...people from all over the world of all skin colors and ethnicities continue to recognize and come for those opportunities which are overlooked by so many. As I said, perpetual group victimhood and dependence only serve those who wish to maintain power over that group.
The tensions between African immigrants and black Americans are pretty well-known and documented. Most people with a working and/or social knowledge are fully aware of this. Look it up sometime. It is also right in line with what I have personally witnessed and experienced over many years. YMMV.
African immigrants generally have difficulty understanding and vice versa because the histories and experiences differ significantly. Africans have a general view that black Americans fail to take advantage of opportunities they (Africans) take advantage of. Africans work with the system, not against it...and some black Americans resent that too. The majority of African immigrants arrived after these advantages became available, and American failure to take advantage of that is viewed negatively.
In other words, Africans, and others, come to the US with a somewhat fresher view of the opportunities, not mired with the difficulties of the past, neither ours nor theirs. One thing is certain...people from all over the world of all skin colors and ethnicities continue to recognize and come for those opportunities which are overlooked by so many. As I said, perpetual group victimhood and dependence only serve those who wish to maintain power over that group.
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The father of the first black president of the USA was Kenyan and not African American, it wasn't the hazard.
The tensions between African immigrants and black Americans are pretty well-known and documented. Most people with a working and/or social knowledge are fully aware of this. Look it up sometime. It is also right in line with what I have personally witnessed and experienced over many years. YMMV.
African immigrants generally have difficulty understanding and vice versa because the histories and experiences differ significantly. Africans have a general view that black Americans fail to take advantage of opportunities they (Africans) take advantage of. Africans work with the system, not against it...and some black Americans resent that too. The majority of African immigrants arrived after these advantages became available, and American failure to take advantage of that is viewed negatively.
In other words, Africans, and others, come to the US with a somewhat fresher view of the opportunities, not mired with the difficulties of the past, neither ours nor theirs. One thing is certain...people from all over the world of all skin colors and ethnicities continue to recognize and come for those opportunities which are overlooked by so many. As I said, perpetual group victimhood and dependence only serve those who wish to maintain power over that group.
So do these "Africans," whose dislike of their fellow blacks is so well documented, also dislike whites, hispanics, asians, and others who don't take advantage of American opportunites? Any "well known documentation" of that?
And again, whether or not African Americans take advantage of our opportunities is one issue, but what i do know is that African immigrant blacks have whatever opportunities they DO HAVE because of African Americans...not because THEY fought for those opportunities.
That is unless of course, you can show me some proof of them doing lunch counter sit-ins, fighting off dogs and firehoses, or fighting in this nations military to liberate other nations while having no rights in America.
In other words, Africans, and others, come to the US with a somewhat fresher view of the opportunities, not mired with the difficulties of the past, neither ours nor theirs. One thing is certain...people from all over the world of all skin colors and ethnicities continue to recognize and come for those opportunities which are overlooked by so many. As I said, perpetual group victimhood and dependence only serve those who wish to maintain power over that group.
You are comparing the top 1-3% of Africans with average African-Americans. I'm no statistician, but you cannot cherry pick a sample pool like that. Compare those immigrants with the top 1-3% of African-Americans and they (the immigrants) would be blown away in virtually all aspects. Secondly, there are tensions amongst all races (Koreans vs Japanese, French vs English, Somalians vs Ethiopians), so I don't see how this is relevant to the OP's sentiments.
Other than that, I agree with you (see last sentence).
Not it's a lie.Go in Minnesota and you'll see the Somalian community, they have around 5 kids per woman, it's much more superior to African Americans (2 per woman)
It's not a lie just because you saw one Somali family in Minnesota. According to the census the average household size is 2.60. The average family size is 3.20
Generally, it's true...African immigrants do not have a favorable or sympathic view towards black Americans. And many are very much opposed to any of their family members mixing with black Americans.
In the past, yes. However, with younger generations our parents don't mind as much...just as long as the person we decide to be with has a bachelor's degree or higher. The stigma is more a class issue.
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