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Old 01-17-2011, 10:50 PM
 
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I think people are way too busy analyzing this situation; when it is completely unnecessary and it is diverting the public from reality. Gun violence has been caused myriad a time by people who were not psychotic or on illegal drugs. A lot of previous gun violence was caused by people on psychiatric medications; those medications actually can cause psychosis and homicidal behaviors. We have a much wider and deeper social problem than a psychotic drug-addict.

The reality is that most violent crimes are not committed by psychotic people. The mass media will use this terrible tragedy to divide and confuse the public into more obtuse social fragments. This divides up several targeted groups: guns rights activists, mental health activists, political activists, civil liberties activists, the public at large, etc.

The fact that so many people are obsessing over this man is wasteful and diverting. People need to see the big picture. We all know this man will get the death penalty and what not, so no worries there. But this event will be used by many to further destroy our civil liberties and push pharmaseuticals on others. First it was ADHD that was ruining our educations: it wasn't the school system, Statism, or antiquated teachers. It was ADHD and people need to be on medicine. Now, this event will push the envelope for people to get tested for psychosis and we will see an over-diagnosis problem arise and a pushing of more psychiatric pharmaceuticals. Our society will be even more vigilant and paranoid: keeping an eye for potentially "psychotic individuals." E.g., we now have x-ray machines and pat downs at airports all because of the "underwear bomber."

For all we know the shooter was on psychiatric pharmaceuticals. Psychiatric medications have a history of causing extreme acts of homicidal violence and psychosis. The mass media will never tell you this until 6 months down the road when we have fewer civil liberties and a much more paranoid society. Everything the mass media have represented is biased, leading, and goading to make us feel and think a certain way. The mass media is deplorable in that they interview people the shooter knew and then depict that as the only important side of the story and all of the truth and information that the public should be aware of. Of course, everybody he knew is going to say "He was nuts. We didn't really like him." It's like a vicious cycle. And people need to wake up to this now.

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Old 01-17-2011, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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This is incredibly boring. Why are we even stunned or surprised or even talking about this: we have better issues to be concerned with; e.g., the job market is in shambles, the economy is in another great depression, universities are feeding into unfettered capitalism and Statism, drug wars are on the rise, and people in general are toxic. Why is this outburst of violence a stunning issue that people need to evaluate over and over again? It's an outburst of violence. We live in a violent country where all is not well and violent imperialism has been the norm for a decade. And America has more prisons than any other nation. So until you get rid of guns altogether and use eugenics to create the "perfect genteel race" then violence and tragedies will occur. It's a part of life.

I'm failing to understand why the sheep of America do not pull away from the entrancement of mass media and say to themselves "A terrible tragedy has occurred. Okay. End of story. Now let's focus on what really matters in society." Instead people are like sheep, repeating the story over and over and obsessing over the violent person: this is just another diverting topic to keep America distracted as much worse is happening right before their eyes.
Because everyone feels helpless to effect a change. Our elections have done nothing but reinforce the slow, inexorable decline of this country. People are more polarized than ever.

So, we talk about it here. Because it seems there is no hope for agreement on the important things where it really matters - in our government - no matter whom we elect.
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Old 01-17-2011, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Actually, he was apolitical.
Oh no, one of those apoliticals! Who will sit next to an apolitical during the State of the Union address?
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:03 PM
 
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How is obsessing about this shooter and his life going to help anyone? The societal problem is much bigger than this shooter and the mass media are trying to distract people from reality. The mass media only disseminate like 30% of reality, depict it as 99% of reality, then they tell you that is all you need to know, don't bother looking at the big picture. Don't bother questioning on whether or not this shooter was on psychiatric medication...we know as a society that in the past many of those who have gone on violent rampages were on psychiatric medications.

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Because everyone feels helpless to effect a change. Our elections have done nothing but reinforce the slow, inexorable decline of this country. People are more polarized than ever.

So, we talk about it here. Because it seems there is no hope for agreement on the important things where it really matters - in our government - no matter whom we elect.
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:06 PM
 
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You make jokes now. But the mass media and other corporations will only exploit this fear inducing situation to further divide and confuse the population. Fear is one of the best ways to motivate sales. Then when the population is much more phobic because of the mass media and brainwashed public they can push more medications and new-age nutrition products onto the society.

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Oh no, one of those apoliticals! Who will sit next to an apolitical during the State of the Union address?
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Old 01-18-2011, 01:36 AM
 
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Every new tragedy enables us to critically look at society and the policies that dictate the way we live. How we respond is up to us. We can choose to simply address the problem on a superficial level or address the main issues. One of those issues is how do we control guns to a point that enables responsible owners the right the carry, mentally unstable individuals the inability to carry, and still have the general populace safe. Another issue is how do we care for the mentally unstable.

We shouldn't be so partisan as to place blame for these attacks. We also shouldn't be so jaded as to try to "move on" and not to improve the policies and measures that helped enabled these attacks.

It would be naive to believe that we will have a perfect union. However, it would be irresponsible to not try to have a more perfect union.
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Old 01-18-2011, 01:51 AM
 
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We shouldn't be so partisan as to place blame for these attacks. We also shouldn't be so jaded as to try to "move on" and not to improve the policies and measures that helped enabled these attacks.

It would be naive to believe that we will have a perfect union. However, it would be irresponsible to not try to have a more perfect union.
It is both naive and irresponsible to think that more words written on more pieces of paper will create a more perfect union.
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:03 AM
 
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There you go attacking the mentally ill. The mentally ill rarely if ever have shoot-outs. And in the past, there have been numerous cases against psychiatric medication that have proven to cause people to become homicidal or violent. So the cure is part of the problem. A pathetic mental health field engineered to destroy off the working-class, middle-class, and poor. Who exactly can afford $70-$120 a session for talk-therapy for years on end? And even then who knows if your counselor will like you as a person and not confuse you further with their theories and methods. Another problem is the gamble of psychiatric medication: it has a tendency to flatten emotion at best which is what most people say happens; but it can also create adverse reactions like violence and homicide. I'm just saying the mental health field is greedy and they don't care if people die.

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Every new tragedy enables us to critically look at society and the policies that dictate the way we live. How we respond is up to us. We can choose to simply address the problem on a superficial level or address the main issues. One of those issues is how do we control guns to a point that enables responsible owners the right the carry, mentally unstable individuals the inability to carry, and still have the general populace safe. Another issue is how do we care for the mentally unstable.

We shouldn't be so partisan as to place blame for these attacks. We also shouldn't be so jaded as to try to "move on" and not to improve the policies and measures that helped enabled these attacks.

It would be naive to believe that we will have a perfect union. However, it would be irresponsible to not try to have a more perfect union.
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:06 AM
 
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Political bureaucracy won't help much. And that's what usually happens.

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It is both naive and irresponsible to think that more words written on more pieces of paper will create a more perfect union.
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Old 01-18-2011, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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He also apologized to the site owner, users, and the shooting victims for his previous diary.
It's not in poor taste to keep it up. It's in poor taste, however, to delete it. Makes you look guilty.
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