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Old 01-18-2011, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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[quote=American_Libertarian;17458025]Jerad Loughner was CRAZY. Period.

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He did not watch TV. He disliked the news.
He didn't listen to political radio.
He didn't take sides.
He wasn't on the left. He wasn't on the right.[/
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His friend wishes he could have helped him. Fantastic interview by Ashley Banfield:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7xLg2C2iI0
Obviously Palin and Beck are to blame for this. Those two people so poisoned politics in this country, that poor Jared could not even bring himself to watch TV, listen to the radio, or even vote in 2010.
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Old 01-18-2011, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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And as the president said rhetoric was not involved in the shootings so let it go
He said no such thing.
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Old 01-18-2011, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Northeast
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Google the things Joughner wrote or spoke about while adding Alex Jones' name to the search and see how many hits you get.
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Old 01-18-2011, 10:06 AM
 
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Jerad Loughner was CRAZY. Period.

Obviously Palin and Beck are to blame for this. Those two people so poisoned politics in this country, that poor Jared could not even bring himself to watch TV, listen to the radio, or even vote in 2010.
LOL! Don't try to confuse them with the facts!
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Old 01-18-2011, 10:17 AM
 
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As a reminder (to those who still insist that "right-wing rhetoric" led to Loughner's rampage), the New York Times reports that Loughner hated Bush and that his anger would rise whenever he say an image of the President.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us...IVgYgsogvlOH2g

Hmm......could it be that all the anti-Bush rhetoric of a few years ago might have played a role in Loughner's motivation to commit murder? If those on the Left want to point to other possible "rhetoric" that they feel led the shooter to act, then they cannot ignore this most inconvenient fact. But they will.
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Old 01-18-2011, 10:20 AM
 
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It's not in poor taste to keep it up. It's in poor taste, however, to delete it. Makes you look guilty.
Okay, so let me understand -

A man writes something that is perceived as inflammatory after a violent event that involves the subject of said writings, receives a lot of flak for it. He decides that it was in poor taste, considering the events, and deletes it. However, he doesn't just delete it with no comment; he writes again to explain his original intent, why he deleted it, and apologizes for the original post and its effect on others, including the victims.

A person removes something offensive and apologizes, and you consider this to be in poor taste? Also evidence of guilt? Isn't stepping up and publicly apologizing for your actions taking responsibility?
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Old 01-18-2011, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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It's too darn confusing when people are not easily stereotyped. As for the apolitical side of Loughner, I am not buying it. He killed those people at a formal democratic political event, not in a random classroom, on a city bus, etc. It was premeditated, deliberate, and political in intent. I do believe he was insane, and I don't know who, if anyone, drove him to do it, but the facts are what they are.

Let's see what folks think if, God forbid, some nut case mows down a bunch of Tea Partiers at a Patriots gathering. Will folks assume it is a politically neutral act? I hope to hell nothing like that happens to ANY political group, just saying.....
I would hope that most folks would wait until all the facts of the act came out and the authorities had a chance to investigate. But you are right, there are knee-jerk reactionairies on both sides. This kid had a crush on the congresswoman and I am willing to bet he felt "dismissed" by her remarks to his bizarre questions. By the way, it has also come out that this creep hated George Bush, so which side of the fence would he fall now?
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Old 01-18-2011, 10:22 AM
 
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He said no such thing.
Yes he did. He said it during the AZ memorial. Why do you ALWAYS think you are right? Do you have an overblown ego issue? I know, the question answers itself..
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Old 01-18-2011, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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It's too darn confusing when people are not easily stereotyped. As for the apolitical side of Loughner, I am not buying it. He killed those people at a formal democratic political event, not in a random classroom, on a city bus, etc. It was premeditated, deliberate, and political in intent. I do believe he was insane, and I don't know who, if anyone, drove him to do it, but the facts are what they are.
Tell us Fiddlehead what was so political about Jodie Foster that would make a man him lie in wait to shoot President Reagan?

Or do have some insight into Squeaky Fromme's politics regarding redwood trees that would explain her attempt on President Gerald Ford?
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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And as the president said rhetoric was not involved in the shootings so let it go
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He said no such thing.
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Yes he did. He said it during the AZ memorial. Why do you ALWAYS think you are right? Do you have an overblown ego issue? I know, the question answers itself..
Here are the salient paragraphs from the speech:
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You see, when a tragedy like this strikes, it is part of our nature to demand explanations – to try to impose some order on the chaos, and make sense out of that which seems senseless. Already we've seen a national conversation commence, not only about the motivations behind these killings, but about everything from the merits of gun safety laws to the adequacy of our mental health systems. Much of this process, of debating what might be done to prevent such tragedies in the future, is an essential ingredient in our exercise of self-government.

But at a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized – at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who think differently than we do – it's important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds.

Scripture tells us that there is evil in the world, and that terrible things happen for reasons that defy human understanding. In the words of Job, "when I looked for light, then came darkness." Bad things happen, and we must guard against simple explanations in the aftermath.

For the truth is that none of us can know exactly what triggered this vicious attack. None of us can know with any certainty what might have stopped those shots from being fired, or what thoughts lurked in the inner recesses of a violent man's mind.

So yes, we must examine all the facts behind this tragedy. We cannot and will not be passive in the face of such violence. We should be willing to challenge old assumptions in order to lessen the prospects of violence in the future.

But what we can't do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another. As we discuss these issues, let each of us do so with a good dose of humility. Rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame, let us use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy, and remind ourselves of all the ways our hopes and dreams are bound together.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/us...%20text&st=cse

What I got from this when I heard it was we can't blame the rhetoric. He didn't use those exact words. However, it is what I "heard."

Interesting, b/c I have been one of those blaming the rhetoric and vitriolic climate, in part - note I said "in part" - which made it OK in Loughner's deranged mind to do this thing. This kid was not living in a vacuum. Of course he absorbed the vitriol. AZ, from what I read, is particularly bad in this regard right now b/c of the immigration problem.

Whatever. Interesting how I, with my biases, heard "don't blame the rhetoric." And, it is one of the things I most remember about the speech - his caution not to blame and to temper our speech.

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