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So, evangelical christian churches are the ones that decide what a mental illness is huh ? Just stupid.
Stupid to allow a group of people who believe that a 2000 year old work of fiction is the ultimate truth and that their father/brother/ghost lives in the sky to decide who is insane? Well, yeah, now that you mention it.
I believe the "choice" comes into play when the acts of "sodomy" are carried out which is also the tie into the Biblical reference that the homosexual lifestyle is sinful. Yes, we all sin but do we embrace and celebrate it? No and if yes, there might need to do some regrouping on that. And, the comment that the church would teach that homosexuality is both immoral and a mental illness doesn't really come together. In the 70's, they did change the opinion on homosexuality being a mental health issue. It would be impossible for a church following Biblical teachings to do anything more than hate the sin of sodomy but welcome the sinner if that homosexual was engaging in sodomy. Take the Bible out of the equation, allow marriage between people of the same sex, allow openness in the military and what you have will still not be wide spread acceptance in the near future. As far as suicide goes, it has been my understanding that people who commit suicide suffer from mental illness. A lot of us feel guilty about things about us but we do not choose suicide so that argument is just old. Someone that commits suicide did not need acceptance. They needed therapy and medication. I was brought up to believe that sodomy is immoral. We all have a choice when it comes to behavior or have a mental illness. Free will.
The act of kissing someone, regardless of their, or your, gender, does not indicate a choice of sexual orientation.
That would be a question for Calvinist. He/she presented it as an example of making a choice around sexuality, making a choice to kiss his/her wife and not a man.
Of course they should. Being weak and giving into their sinful, base homosexual desires destroys the fabric of society as well as damns the homosexual to an eternity spent burning in Hell. They owe it to themselves and everyone else to act in accordance with the natural order.
Haha! This made me laugh. Not the homosexual part per se, but the Hell thing. Who still believes in Hell, anyway? Isn't that something people just tell their kids to make them behave?
I believe the "choice" comes into play when the acts of "sodomy" are carried out which is also the tie into the Biblical reference that the homosexual lifestyle is sinful.
I don't know that a lot of lesbians engage in 'the act of sodomy'.
I've engaged in 'the act of sodomy', but I'm not homosexual.
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Yes, we all sin
I don't 'sin'
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but do we embrace and celebrate it? No and if yes, there might need to do some regrouping on that. And, the comment that the church would teach that homosexuality is both immoral and a mental illness doesn't really come together. In the 70's, they did change the opinion on homosexuality being a mental health issue. It would be impossible for a church following Biblical teachings to do anything more than hate the sin of sodomy but welcome the sinner if that homosexual was engaging in sodomy. Take the Bible out of the equation, allow marriage between people of the same sex, allow openness in the military and what you have will still not be wide spread acceptance in the near future.
Because people who take their guidance from a thousands of years old fairy tale should be listened to.
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As far as suicide goes, it has been my understanding that people who commit suicide suffer from mental illness.
People who commit suicide also wear socks.
People who do not commit suicide also suffer from mental illness.
People who do commit suicide do not suffer from mental illness.
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A lot of us feel guilty about things about us but we do not choose suicide so that argument is just old.
The bible is old, but lots of people use it to back their 'argument'
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I was brought up to believe that sodomy is immoral.
I was brought up to believe that every December 25th a fat man in a red suit would give me stuff.
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We all have a choice when it comes to behavior or have a mental illness.
What? People should choose not to have mental illness? Makes as much sense as a lot of stuff I've read in this thread.
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I believe the "choice" comes into play when the acts of "sodomy" are carried out which is also the tie into the Biblical reference that the homosexual lifestyle is sinful. Yes, we all sin but do we embrace and celebrate it? No and if yes, there might need to do some regrouping on that. And, the comment that the church would teach that homosexuality is both immoral and a mental illness doesn't really come together. In the 70's, they did change the opinion on homosexuality being a mental health issue. It would be impossible for a church following Biblical teachings to do anything more than hate the sin of sodomy but welcome the sinner if that homosexual was engaging in sodomy. Take the Bible out of the equation, allow marriage between people of the same sex, allow openness in the military and what you have will still not be wide spread acceptance in the near future. As far as suicide goes, it has been my understanding that people who commit suicide suffer from mental illness. A lot of us feel guilty about things about us but we do not choose suicide so that argument is just old. Someone that commits suicide did not need acceptance. They needed therapy and medication. I was brought up to believe that sodomy is immoral. We all have a choice when it comes tobehavior or have a mental illness. Free will.
Sorry, but the bolded part of your post is by far the most willfully ignorant thing I have read in quite awhile.
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