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View Poll Results: Is sexual preferance a choice?
Yes 47 18.58%
No 193 76.28%
Not sure 11 4.35%
Yes 2 0.79%
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Seattle Area
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whatever.

In any event, does it REALLY matter? The act is the immoral thing...doesn't much matter whether one is tempted by it or not.
Whether or not it is immoral depends on ones religious beliefs...I happen to think it is not.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:33 PM
 
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Whether or not it is immoral depends on ones religious beliefs...I happen to think it is not.
And you're wrong.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Seattle Area
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And you're wrong.
I say that you are wrong...

You keep saying that there are many examples of people turning gay...where are these examples?

Trust me as a gay man I've never met anybody who just decided to "turn gay"...it just doesn't happen like that.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:37 PM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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The bible is a fairy tale.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:38 PM
 
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The bible is a fairy tale.
You're entitled to that opinion, but you're wrong on that, too.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:42 PM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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And why wont calvinist answer my question about his own attractions?
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:44 PM
 
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that's exactly it. And it trumps any humanistic morality you may come up with.

It doesn't change. Your's does.
It is absolute. Your's changes.
I've had lots of Christians tell me the Bible does "look down" on homosexuality and that it is immoral. They tend to quote the Old Testament and talk about Sodom and Gomorrah. I've had lots of Christians tell me the Bible does not "look down" on homosexuality in that it's not address in any meaningful way. They usually say things like the 10 Commandments never mentions it, none of the prophets ever addressed it, Jesus never condemned it, and then go on to explain that the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah have nothing to do with homosexuality whatsoever. I've even had Christians tell me the Bible affirms same-sex relationships. They usually talk about David and Jonathan.

I've been to several gay marriages. All were held in and ordained by a Christian church.

If it's so absolute, why can't Christians even agree on it?
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:45 PM
 
Location: FL
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I think over time a person can go downhill in their morality enough that they can. There is example after example of a person that is not gay their whole life but will instead start out hetero but gradually go into it.
Maybe because they were living a lie and couldn't do it any more.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:47 PM
 
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I've had lots of Christians tell me the Bible does "look down" on homosexuality and that it is immoral. They tend to quote the Old Testament and talk about Sodom and Gomorrah. I've had lots of Christians tell me the Bible does not "look down" on homosexuality in that it's not address in any meaningful way. They usually say things like the 10 Commandments never mentions it, none of the prophets ever addressed it, Jesus never condemned it, and then go on to explain that the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah have nothing to do with homosexuality whatsoever. I've even had Christians tell me the Bible affirms same-sex relationships. They usually talk about David and Jonathan.

I've been to several gay marriages. All were held in and ordained by a Christian church.

If it's so absolute, why can't Christians even agree on it?
It's amazing the lengths that some people will go to in order to justify their sin. It doesn't mean it's right.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:48 PM
 
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Coz his bible says so
and my bible says that god will be the judge.
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