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So why is it the unions get the blame while management gets a pass? BTW, these are often the same execs who sign the union contracts which are allegedly the cause of so many problems. Are they not equally guilty?
Well, as I'm sure you know, some execs have no interest in the long-term prosperity of the company. They are there to get what they can get and if they sign a contract that will cripple the company in 15-20 years they don't care as long as they get their bonus. That is very different than people who found a company and have their name in it.
Sometimes execs sign contracts because they feel they have no choice. Some states have laws that make it very difficult to work without unionized employees. Eventually the only way the companies can get out from under the union boot is to move to other states.
This may surprise you but I am not a big fan of publicly owned corporations. I understand that companies have to sell stock to expand but I think companies should be required to buy back their stock after a number of years. In other words, they should treat it the same as bonds -- with one exception. I believe employees should be able to own company stock indefinetely. That would give them an incentive for the company to do well. Many companies encourage employee stock ownership through matching programs and other incentives. They don't do this out of the goodness of their heart. They do it because it gives the workers a stake in the company's success.
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Well, as I'm sure you know, some execs have no interest in the long-term prosperity of the company. They are there to get what they can get and if they sign a contract that will cripple the company in 15-20 years they don't care as long as they get their bonus. That is very different than people who found a company and have their name in it.
That's why I find it annoying when the blame seems always so casually placed on the unions with no mention of the "I got mine and I'm leaving" execs.
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Sometimes execs sign contracts because they feel they have no choice. Some states have laws that make it very difficult to work without unionized employees. Eventually the only way the companies can get out from under the union boot is to move to other states.
And as you've mentioned, some sign anything, knowing full well they'll be comfortably retired by the time their mismanagement brings the company down. I believe they rarely if ever receive their fair share of the blame.
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This may surprise you but I am not a big fan of publicly owned corporations. I understand that companies have to sell stock to expand but I think companies should be required to buy back their stock after a number of years. In other words, they should treat it the same as bonds -- with one exception. I believe employees should be able to own company stock indefinetely. That would give them an incentive for the company to do well. Many companies encourage employee stock ownership through matching programs and other incentives. They don't do this out of the goodness of their heart. They do it because it gives the workers a stake in the company's success.
This is still something I have no great grasp of. I don't understand why strangers can buy/sell shares of a company's stock multiple times a day, working on ups and downs of pennies, making a good living while the company really doesn't see any of those $$$. I really don't see what those traders contribute to the economy.
Remember cigar-smoking union leaders, those portly white guys who sat around the pool at AFL-CIO conventions in Miami Beach?
We called them the “old guard†and blamed them for allowing what looked at the time to be a very foreboding decline in union density, power and influence.
I don't thnik tehy will die but they certainly will contimue the decline they have seen for years.They have just become another speical interest really.placinb thewir members above the good of other workers. Look a their refusal to pay taxes o their healthcare benefits in financig the new healthcare bill. They want special treatment as always .They also mnay times want consumer to be forced to pay what they demand .Thier mai problem is thast they have failed to appeal to the new middle class workers and stuck with representing the jobs that for years have become basically third world skills in the 21st century.
Sorry, the site is partisan (I'm politically independant) but the statement isn't stupid.So, what do you think about it ?
oh, I thought you were asking if the union members would eventually die and I was wondering what they did to keep from dieing, now I see you are referring to Unions be outdated, yes, eventually they will be gone, but not soon enough for many of us.
When all the unions are gone and factory workers are making minimum wage with no benefits or not working at all I am sure many will be happy. I really don't know why because when when unions are no more who do you think big business will go after next. You also must consider the businesses that union workers support and without a decent wage and benefits many small businesses will crash a burn. Foreclosures were pretty much limited to the working folks who lost their jobs but now foreclosures are drifting up into the middle class. Go ahead, trash the unions but remember you may be next to go.
Thankfully for everyone I am short on time tonight. The uaw has helped many very hard workin people get paid enough to support a family. The moronic statements about workers getting paid too much to put tires on a vehicle shows complete looneyness. I'll make that person this offer; Do that job for what YOU THINK the pay should be. You won't do it long. While not a fan of todays uaw and it's nutjob sold us all out prez. If it wasn't for the unions of the past, there would
be no middle class workers.
You people who think hard work today by workers for their respective companies will get rewarded with higher pay is plain nuts. Companies today are getting to over requiring of workers yet offering the lowest pay in 70 years for the cost of living and skills required. I am a machinist,(13 years journeyman) as well as plastic molding injection specialist, yet the pay is no longer high enough to support a family in those fields, there is a need for unions that will fight for desent pay!
WE NEED UNIONS TODAY,MAYBE MORE THAN we have in the last 30 years. But we do not need sell us out morons like what is running the uaw today that wants illegals here. I argued with gettlefinger for 2 hours about his promoting illegals. The current unions for the most part are run by idiots that are members of anti-American groups such as the world communist party. The kind of unions needed today are ones that will fight for a ood waye for a good days pay, allow employers to fire the lazy ones that will not work, or not come in on time, and not argue for a clown that gets caught stealing from the company to get the job back. A balanced Union is not currently active that I know of. If there was, then the discussion on their worth would be much different!
When all the unions are gone and factory workers are making minimum wage with no benefits or not working at all I am sure many will be happy. I really don't know why because when when unions are no more who do you think big business will go after next. You also must consider the businesses that union workers support and without a decent wage and benefits many small businesses will crash a burn. Foreclosures were pretty much limited to the working folks who lost their jobs but now foreclosures are drifting up into the middle class. Go ahead, trash the unions but remember you may be next to go.
It's the first they came for the guy down the street i didn't like, and i said nothing, then they came for the guy next door and i said nothing, and then they came for me and no one was left to stop them synptom. Except these people don't realize it's thier time to be taken if the unions are gone. What we should be talking about is how to get rid of the nutcases running the unions now
The Asian automakers have known for almost thirty years that unions and automobile companies are a disaster together.
Look at where most of the new automobile plants which have been built in the USA over the past 15+ years are located; living in the Midwest is substantially more expensive than living in right-to-work states, as well as Texas or the Deep South.
The fact that King has set aside sixty million dollars for his crusade is beyond asinine and downrught reprehensible; the transplants did their homework before coming over here, and are a heck of a lot smarter than he is.
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Labor’s End?
