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There's no so such thing as a Jewish race or Hispanic race... Judaism is a religion and Hispanic is simply a language/regional grouping. Try again.
It doesn't matter how you define race or ethnicity. It's a fact that Jews in America are genetically different from non-Jewish whites. Same goes for Hispanics and the other groups I mentioned.
America does have and will continue to have a caste system, like it or not. Equal outcomes will never exist. You have been enlightened.
It doesn't matter how you define race or ethnicity. It's a fact that Jews in America are genetically different from non-Jewish whites. Same goes for Hispanics and the other groups I mentioned.
Everyone's genetically different, even Jews from other Jews. A German Jew would have been more genetically similar and looked closer another non-Jewish German than an Ethopian Jew or Sephardic Jew from Morocco.. Because, once again, Judaism is neither a race nor an ethnicity.
Being Hispanic has nothing to do with race and little to do with being from a common ethnicity...One can be a blond, blue eyed Argentinian of German descent or a Oaxcan Indian from Southern Mexico--both would be considered Hispanic once they arrived in the US.
Everyone's genetically different, even Jews from other Jews. A German Jew would have been more genetically similar and looked closer another non-Jewish German than an Ethopian Jew or Sephardic Jew from Morocco.. Because, once again, Judaism is neither a race nor an ethnicity.
That's a straw man. I'm talking about group-based genetic differences, whereas you're referring to individual genetic differences.
Group-based genetic differences are the reason that white couples produce white children, black couples produce black children, Asian couples produce Asian children, etc., and not just children of any random race or ethnicity.
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Liberals would never touch on the topic of Asian success because it destroys their social theories.
Yes, I love the fact that Asians do well because it disproves the the bogus left wing theory that minorities need affirmative action to succeed because somehow just being a minority makes you disadvantaged.
Ha! I'm liberal and I use it all the time. You do know Asians vote overwhelmingly dem don't you? Come up with some lame excuse for that...lol
A lot of rich people also vote democrat, that doesn't mean much. And Democrat does not always have to be equated with liberalism and its ideological varieties.
That is just the truth. No liberal will ever say to other minorities, "look at the example of Asian immigrants". Who succeeded despite NOT having federal programs designed specifically for them, affirmative action or any other initiatives.
Basically all they needed was studiousness, hard work and patience to make better of themselves. Sorry they would rather learn than hang out with vicious mobs that attack people on the street.
Revisiting this thread, I applaud asians for their success. Here in the bay area for instance, they strive for excellence in academic settings and focus on the fields this society values. I especially like their appreciation and participation in classical music. The UC system loves them because their numbers are always high and they are likely to excel academically, graduate, and get a job. One can even say that if the UC system were allowed, their student body would be comprised of 90% asian students. Doing so would certainly makes these schools look good on paper, at least for the USNews rankings. No doubt though that asians work exceptionally hard to achieve their high numbers and excel. But I wonder at what cost? Anyone can put in 10-12 hours per day of hard studying in total isolation and excel in a similar manner. This type of effort doesn't make one "superior" either, just someone who works harder. In academic settings, I usually equate "superior" to someone who studies a quarter of the time that a normal person does and is four times as good, not someone who studies eight times longer than the normal person, and is not twice as good. Here are some links as food for thought.
Suicide, depression, identity crisis, and mental health appear to be a problem.
The Growing Rate of Depression, Suicide Among Asian American Students (http://www.pacificcitizen.org/site/details/tabid/55/selectmoduleid/373/ArticleID/490/reftab/36/Default.aspx - broken link)
Also, a paradox exists within the asian culture. Asians certainly excel in academic settings, and overwhelmingly become doctors, engineers, and scientists. But what is troubling is the rising and ever-present rate of asian prostitution. There are hundreds of such services being provided throughout the bay area alone, not just out of "Good Health Centers" which focus on herbal teas and medicines or acupuncture, but out of apartments and escort services. Many of these services are frequented by married asian men and many of these places employ underaged asian girls. Quite a shame.
It is also a belief that asian women, despite their enormous successes, beautiful slender appearance, and seemingly content nature, appear to define their place in society by their ability to get a white man to marry them. So while asians can brag about outperforming whites on standardized tests, they appear to believe that snagging a white male is the pinnacle of societal success and acceptance. Scan the craigslist ads sometime and you will find countless ads of asian women looking for a white male, some in that familiar "sugar daddy" role. Quite ironic actually. So much for the perceived sense of superiority.
So, while asians certainly are high achievers and successful, they are far from the perfect model that everyone should adopt. Problems persist. They certainly should be applauded adn appreciated for their successes, but mental problems, identity issues, suicidal tendencies, and depression appear to be major problems.
It is also interesting to note that the successes are insular. Other minority groups do not benefit from asian successes. Instead, stereotypes about blacks and latinos are perpetuated and never questioned, which contributes to racial segregation and discrimination. This is quite a shame since asians are not superior to these groups either.
Based on some of your comments, when women date someone from another race that makes the guys superior? There are many white women who are with black men. White guys are so inferior then.
And Asian success shouldn't matter to anyone else. The are a relatively small minority, and nobody should expect them to carry the weight of other minorities. Simply put, it is typical liberal spiel. If we could only be dung eating tribals living in straw huts singing kumbaya and sharing wives, instead of pursuing intellectual goals in life. That would be true success for humanity to them.
Yes, I love the fact that Asians do well because it disproves the the bogus left wing theory that minorities need affirmative action to succeed because somehow just being a minority makes you disadvantaged.
You mischaracterize the view of blacks here. Black people don't believe that simply "being a minority" makes one disadvantaged. How absurd. Rather, slavery and the hierarachy that emerged from it placed blacks at a societal disadvantage that is far more intense, severe, and pervasive than for other minority group.
Affirmative action is an evolving mechanism to address this hierarachy, one that placed whites (and other groups that whites are not as adverse to) in a position to discriminate against and deny equal opportunity. Because racism still exists, facilitated by this hierarachy, affirmative action is needed. Becuase even qualified blacks are still being stigmitized and disciminated against because of the color of their skin by that segment of society that is racially-insensitive (includes some whites, asians, and indians), affirmative action is needed to make sure that blacks are given equal opportunity.
Asians are a minority, but certainly not perceived nearly as negatively as blacks are in this society. They therefore have an easier time of it and don't face nearly the problems in this society that blacks face and continue to face. Asians can study 8 times as hard and be perceived as being twice as smart. Blacks may work twice as hard to be perceived as half as smart. Even blacks who study 8 times as hard are perceived as being just as smart and the exception, but never smarter. Such is the result of societal perceptions derived from the days of slavery, perceptions that cannot be combated by blacks alone. Ignorance persists. Affirmative action is the answer because the racially-insensitive in this country cannot be trusted to take the high road and stop discriminating on their own.
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Asians are not superior to any group
