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Chinese parents do not allow their children to go to a sleep over, play video games, have a play date, watch TV and more. American parents are okay with their children receiving a "B." Not so for Chinese parents.
Ok, let me get this straight.
American parents are ok with their children receiving a "B". (When you say American, does that exclude Asian Americans? Or how about Jewish Americans who are also know to stress academics?)
Not so for Chinese parents.
How about Chinese-American parents?
Or how about Asian-American parents?
I love how everyone likes to bundle us up into one big "Yellow Peril".
I am an Asian American parent. I play video games with my 4-year old. And we watch a lot of TV together. Every chance I get, we go to the zoo or to the nearby park. My wife loves to set up play dates for our child. Getting to know many Caucasian families, I've notice that we are not so entirely different. The Caucasian parents I know are all vocal about stressing academics. Of course, I will stress academics to my child as well, but this "Tiger Woman" or "Cougar Mother" does not epitomize me. She does not epitomize my Japanese-born wife. She does not epitomize my parents. We are nothing like her.
And I scored a 790 of 800 on my math SAT... I can speak several languages fluently and graduated from college with science and engineering degrees.
So, Like... Oh my god... I must not have any critical thinking skills.
I am just a great test taker, right?
First, I hate taking tests like the next person.
Second, YOU DO REALIZE THE MATH PORTION OF THE SAT and ACT ARE SIMPLE, RIGHT? If you do well, you most likely have an aptitude in math. If you don't, then most likely, you do not have an aptitude in math. The math portion on these standardized tests are pretty straight forward. If you do poor, I doubt seriously that it is has to do with poor test taking skills.
Thomas, I think you are misdirecting your outrage against misrepresantation of Asian parenting. I know Asian parents can be loving and nurture independent spirit in their children.
You should direct your wrath at Mrs. Chua who penned the idiotic self congratulating article about 'Tiger mothers' 'success'
Ok, let me get this straight.
American parents are ok with their children receiving a "B". (When you say American, does that exclude Asian Americans? Or how about Jewish Americans who are also know to stress academics?)
Not so for Chinese parents.
How about Chinese-American parents?
Or how about Asian-American parents?
I love how everyone likes to bundle us up into one big "Yellow Peril".
I am an Asian American parent. I play video games with my 4-year old. And we watch a lot of TV together. Every chance I get, we go to the zoo or to the nearby park. My wife loves to set up play dates for our child. Getting to know many Caucasian families, I've notice that we are not so entirely different. The Caucasian parents I know are all vocal about stressing academics. Of course, I will stress academics to my child as well, but this "Tiger Woman" or "Cougar Mother" does not epitomize me. She does not epitomize my Japanese-born wife. She does not epitomize my parents. We are nothing like her.
And I scored a 790 of 800 on my math SAT... I can speak several languages fluently and graduated from college with science and engineering degrees.
So, Like... Oh my god... I must not have any critical thinking skills.
I am just a great test taker, right?
First, I hate taking tests like the next person.
Second, YOU DO REALIZE THE MATH PORTION OF THE SAT and ACT ARE SIMPLE, RIGHT? If you do well, you most likely have an aptitude in math. If you don't, then most likely, you do not have an aptitude in math. The math portion on these standardized tests are pretty straight forward. If you do poor, I doubt seriously that it is has to do with poor test taking skills.
Oh, by the way, did I mention that...
THE MATH PORTION OF THE SAT is a JOKE!?!?!?
I too am Asian American. But I took the SAT perhaps 35 years ago. I probably would have done better had I known what it was about and had the least bit of interest in it. My siblings and parents knew nothing about it and I lacked any guidance from my peer group. Luckily, I had enough raw horsepower to make do.
The game has changed now. Almost ALL Asian parents are well versed in what the SAT Game is all about and will give the edge to their kids. Combining this with the fact that other parent/student groups rely too much on their entitlements -- legacy, affirmative action to get through or otherwise pad their scores. This skews the averages down.
Almost ALL Asian parents are well versed in what the SAT Game is all about and will give the edge to their kids.
Quite frankly, I think most affluent parents are all well versed in trying to give any possible edge to their kids. Stressing academics is not just an Asian thing.
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Originally Posted by wellyouknow
Thomas, I think you are misdirecting your outrage against misrepresantation of Asian parenting. I know Asian parents can be loving and nurture independent spirit in their children.
You should direct your wrath at Mrs. Chua who penned the idiotic self congratulating article about 'Tiger mothers' 'success'
If you listen to my rant, the rant was directed to the idiotic Mrs. Chua, or "Tiger Mom". Which I mentioned several times.
Perhaps, I did get carried away, but I wrote this after reading the "Japs" comment. I am very sensitive to that term, since I heard that term on a regular basis throughout high school.
LOL at the idiocy here. First of all, a lot of Asians in the US are here because some dictatorial regime posed a threat to anyone smart enough to see through their bull****. Second, Chinese (and yes, other Asian culture were very much so influenced by China) upbringing revolved heavily upon a kid's scores on the Confucian exams. Acceptance = a meal ticket for life for the parents. Whoda thought people from such a culture would be good at... taking exams?
Please note that innovations such as calculus, quantum mechanics, computers, the internet, biotechnology, air travel, cell phones, modern medicine, etc... originated in western cultures that tend to value individual thought and debate more and drilling a specific set of known facts less.
Quite frankly, I think most affluent parents are all well versed in trying to give any possible edge to their kids. Stressing academics is not just an Asian thing.
I live in Italy where regardless of affluence, the parents do not put effort into giving an academic edge. They rely on privilege instead of work. This is beginning to break down as the schools are pumping out useless graduates just as in the USA. Like in the US, there is the noticeable rise of the Asian students.
i think everyone is painting a very nice picture of these asian students when in fact it is a lot different. knowing quite a few i can say that what is perceived by some outsiders as an "appreciation of education" is sometimes just a "fear of shame". there is a strong push to succeed. some times it is unhealthy. it happens a lot. the pressure is strong.
The Growing Rate of Depression, Suicide Among Asian American Students (http://www.pacificcitizen.org/site/details/tabid/55/selectmoduleid/373/ArticleID/490/reftab/36/Default.aspx?title=The_Growing_Rate_of_Depression, _Suicide_Among_Asian_American_Students_ - broken link)
You seem to have left out a major factor why Asian students do better then others. Less single parent households. Any home that has 2 parents living and working together is going to have an advantage over a single parent household.
Single parent households are at a gross disadvantage from the get go. Any home that has 2 supportive parents has an advatage over a young single parent home.
Which is why Japan has the highest suicide rate in the world because the pressure is so much over there that many students can't take it.
Wrong!!!
Suicide is more culturally acceptable in Japanese culture , that's why it's more common there, not for the reasons you're guessing at.
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