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Old 01-22-2011, 12:54 PM
 
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Farm Subsidies are not entitlement programs though.

If the US government pays you not to grow corn this year because they have an agreement with Australia to limit the amount of corn we put on the market, that's not an entitlement.
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Old 01-22-2011, 12:56 PM
 
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You didn't answer my question about exactly what type of farm subsidies she receives.

A political hitpiece from a liberal blog doesn't really impress me much.
I agree it is a political hit piece - that's why I only posted
the facts, and not the rhetoric but did include the link where it came from. But tax returns, don't lie.

I believe it's corn (but don't hold me to it) - subsidy for that. After all it is WI - they grow corn there.

The point is, you shouldn't campaign on getting the government out of giving handouts - when you received
one yourself. Don't you think?
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Old 01-22-2011, 12:57 PM
 
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No because it's not a handout if the government is telling you not to grow corn.
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Old 01-22-2011, 12:59 PM
 
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Have you seen her speech?

She speaks for a whole lot of Americans.
...but not enough to win a national election. She truly is off her rocker.
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Old 01-22-2011, 01:01 PM
 
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You DO realize that farmers who are paid not to grow corn for example could get MORE money if they DID grow the corn and sell it on the open market?

The government doesn't pay them as much as they could get if they grew it.

Especially today when more corn goes into ethanol production than it does to actual food and feed need. The price of corn has skyrocketed and therefore your food prices and the cost of feed for livestock.
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Old 01-22-2011, 01:03 PM
 
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Bachmann makes Beck seem sane.
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Old 01-22-2011, 01:46 PM
 
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No because it's not a handout if the government is telling you not to grow corn.
If it's a corn subsidy, she's growing it. THE GOVERNMENT WANTS EVERYONE TO GROW CORN We produce almost half of the worlds corn. 1/4 of all U.S. farmland is planted in corn.

Between 1995 and 2006, the government paid out $56 billion(B) in corn subsidies.

40 percent of the corn crop goes into feedlots to fatten livestock for meat, milk, and eggs.

Some is sold to make High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS)

32 percent of corn crop now goes to fuel: ethanol

15 percent we export

Federal corn subsidies saved chicken producers $11.3B, pork processors $8.5B, beef packers $4.5B, producers of HFCS saved 2B, from 1997-2005.

Now you know all about corn, corn dog

And if she's getting a corn subsidy because she's
feeding her dairy cows with it - she's a smart farmer
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Old 01-22-2011, 02:02 PM
 
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No.....farm subsidies aren't socialism. There were good economic reasons behind those things.
So, if something was done for good economic reasons you wouldn't call that socialism, then, would you?

e.g. single payer health care, maybe
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Old 01-22-2011, 02:19 PM
 
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A lot of those Americans who gave the democrats a thumping in Nov 2010.
They might have given democrats a thumping but
evangelicals were not the reason. e.g. Cristine O'Donnell
Sharon Angle rings a bell.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/11/us...cs/11tarp.html

"The vote in 2008 to bail out Wall Street was framed as the only way to avert an economic meltdown and relieve financial institutions of their most poisonous holdings. For many members of Congress, it turns out that the vote itself was toxic.

Republicans for months predicted that a backlash against the Democrats’ big health care law would be the defining issue in this year’s Congressional campaigns. But the bipartisan TARP vote has become a more resonant issue in a year when anti-incumbent, anti-Washington sentiment is running strong."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/11/us...cs/11tarp.html
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Old 01-22-2011, 02:20 PM
 
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So, if something was done for good economic reasons you wouldn't call that socialism, then, would you?

e.g. single payer health care, maybe
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