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No problem right? We can just backtrack from the adjusted data since important stuff like this will be well documented. This is where the HARRY_READ_ME.txt file comes in. Apparently these are bunch of amateur programmers. There is little or no revision history of the data or even the code they used to make adjustments. As one example there is one comment about finding two files with the exact same file name but different code with nothing to indicate date or revision which leaves Harry to making wild guesses.
I know and it's why I have no confidence in their findings at all. Really gives computer programmers a bad name, doesn't it? There should be clear and definite standards that were defined before they began, that's where a lot of their time should have been spent. Then they needed clear design documents, with direct correlation to the procs for each element, have the code checked into sourcesafe of some other CM tool...really broke every rule of programming that existed. This thing was a complete and utter hack and failure. How ANYONE could take the conclusions and say that it proves anything at all do not understand even the most basic elements of software engineering. Kind of sad, isn't it?
So, then, "If you can't prove it, it ain't so"... ?
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I know and it's why I have no confidence in their findings at all. Really gives computer programmers a bad name, doesn't it? There should be clear and definite standards that were defined before they began, that's where a lot of their time should have been spent. Then they needed clear design documents, with direct correlation to the procs for each element, have the code checked into sourcesafe of some other CM tool...really broke every rule of programming that existed. This thing was a complete and utter hack and failure. How ANYONE could take the conclusions and say that it proves anything at all do not understand even the most basic elements of software engineering. Kind of sad, isn't it?
You don't really think that computers, the programmers and other little people are the ones at fault... do you?
Do you think that it could be that people are intentionally not posting and/or altering information that proves environmental problems.... because they've been instructed to handle the information that way by those in higher positions? It happens all the time.
When people are hiding facts, they attempt to make the paper trail hard to follow...
I once worked (briefly) as a temp in an accounting position for a company who handled medicare and other payments for disabled people. It didn't take me long to realize that something was very wrong with the way things were being done. I decided that I didn't want to learn their way of bookkeeping. Shortly after I left, I discovered that the owner of the company was in prison for Medicare fraud. (Probably why they needed to hire temps to work there) I could tell you similar stories about other companies that I worked for and left for the same kinds of ethical reasons -- all having to do with the way they handled their "bookkeeping".
My point here is that no matter what the industry, people attempt to hide the facts about what's really going on in the same way.
No clear conclusion???
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It's possible there wasn't anything intentional about this, firstly the reason given for them deleting the raw data is because of space. At that point in time when digital storage space was at a premium it would certainly be plausible excuse, whether that's the truth....
The bigger issue is you have a bunch of climatologists that are amateur programmers. I'm not suggesting their is issues with their programming but instead the management of it. Generally speaking you're going to have a repository of code that will have all revisions made to it, who made it and comments as to why so you can look back on the history of the project.
Another possible issue is when they when they started working on this it wasn't that important.
Well, I'm not so forgiving. They had, several times, the opportunity to completely come clean and not push through this global warming crisis agenda; which was based upon faulty datasets and poor programming. It was complete hack programming. Ugh - it's just irritates me so darn much!!
Yes, I believe this was a top down corruption of this data and execution of said data. I am also ashamed that they pass this off as legitimate programming and M&S when it is no such thing.
I would be skeptical of the dB sizes and say that was an issue. Even 10 years ago, I was working in the 5TB SAN sizes, which is pretty darn big even then.
I will not and cannot believe any of the conclusions that have come out from the IPCC about global warming because it is just so darn corrupt. I think people do not realize just how enlightening those files were that showed what they actually did. But, it's all about the politics, right? That's all we're left with because the M&S was certainly total bunk!
The day the enviromental "protectors" come clean will never happen. Why? Too much taxpayer money for more bogus findings studies. Global warming is nothing but a big U.N. cooked up lie. It's amazing how gullible people are by these outright liars of supposed science. As long as we allow taxpager money to be used for this unConstitutional agency called the epa, and all their college studies, the more we will be lied to. If you are stupid enough to be in the current enviromental movement, and support that bs about global warming, you love being lied to.
Tell me why is it that 2600 climate specialist sued the UN over their claiming those very people who study the air, weather agreed with global warming?
The e.p.a. shpuld be dismantled asap!!!! They have cost us millions of good jobs, caused the cost of living to increase 5 times normal inflation, and they are more concerned with lining the pockets of brothers, sisters, inlaws and friends than true looking out for the enviroment. Let wake the hell up folks, the epa has friday meetings to tell the employees to think up a new crisis, and on monda they try to decide who had the best "crisis" to be addressed idea to run in front of your evening news camera with. Remember the SUPERFUND to clean up "dioxin? Yeah, in Times Beach, missouri, the town was bought out completely. They wasted BILLIONS of our tax $ doing a supposed "clean up". But guess what? The north side of i-44 was where they burnt the dirt, but on the south side of I-44 where it was supposed to have been the "worst contamination ever seen", they NEVER TOUCHED IT and now the entire area is "SAFE" ? Oh, and to cover their stupidity, these epa clowns came out with a statement that said after 15 years in the sunlight, dioxin is untracible and therefore safe. Explain to me how the brother in law of the old epa director and the epa together whose company did the "clean up" figured out this no longer a toxic problem?
WAKE UP TREEHUGGERS, You've been dupped. And anything short of eliminating the epa is a fraud, and the UN's ticket to keep taking away our Constitutional Property rights.
BTW, What was the "computer model" of ourr air if we didn't stop driving completely 20 years ago vs. reality ? LOL
I would have thought our off the deepend environmentalist would have wanted to explain this for us to disprove if they could figure out how to bs us some more in the face of what has really happened. Bring it on environmentalist. Explain this waste of our tax money and how it is not outright fraud.
Simply because the liberals have made it an issue. If you are a private liberal group who believes that we as people are contributing to the decline of the enviroment then that is fine...but once it becomes a govt. issue where everyone is focred to pay taxes for some ridiculous cause then it becomes a political issue. Believe what you want, but dont force those issues on us...those issues that have NO PROOF.
The day the enviromental "protectors" come clean will never happen. Why? Too much taxpayer money for more bogus findings studies. Global warming is nothing but a big U.N. cooked up lie. It's amazing how gullible people are by these outright liars of supposed science. As long as we allow taxpager money to be used for this unConstitutional agency called the epa, and all their college studies, the more we will be lied to. If you are stupid enough to be in the current enviromental movement, and support that bs about global warming, you love being lied to.
Tell me why is it that 2600 climate specialist sued the UN over their claiming those very people who study the air, weather agreed with global warming?
Global warming is not a lie. It's agreed on by almost 80% of the scientists who research it. Just because the a few people fudged the data at the UN does NOT mean it's all a lie. Skeptics like you should consider getting information from sources other than Andrew Breitbart and Glenn Beck.
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So, then, "If you can't prove it, it ain't so"... ?
