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However, with the global economy, common sense does not support it.
In that other thread "Founding Father's Socialist" (or whatever it is) a little research would reveal that they formed those government sponsored hospitals for sailors because they quickly realized the US government was "deeply dependent on foreign commerce."
More importantly Isolationism is giving up. It's throwing in the towel and allowing us to go into free-fall. The only thing that could cause mass hysteria even faster would be for a god to come down from the sky or an electromagnetic pulse attack from about 350 miles above the earth over the US.
It would pretty much be the worse case scenario. You'd see governments start to collapse everywhere and to stop that collapsing those governments would become very adventurous which would spark World War IV which would be a war far different from the previous one where we held the only atomic bombs.
I disagree. I don't think we should be ANYWHERE in any other country but our own. We have enough problems here as things stand. Shouldn't we look after our own backyard before we go poking our nose over our neighbor's fence and criticizing the weeds over there?
You're not alone in that isolationist view, and it's even been attempted a few times, but the reality is we live in a global society and problems overseas are problems here and vice versa. Just look at how our mortgage crisis rippled through the world.
As they look at spending cuts, I'd certainly be in favor of considering drawing down in Germany, Japan, et al, but it's far too soon in Iraq. As Obama said, we're going to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in.
You're not alone in that isolationist view, and it's even been attempted a few times, but the reality is we live in a global society and problems overseas are problems here and vice versa. Just look at how our mortgage crisis rippled through the world.
As they look at spending cuts, I'd certainly be in favor of considering drawing down in Germany, Japan, et al, but it's far too soon in Iraq. As Obama said, we're going to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in.
You say tomato and I say tomato. Some people call people who do not want to get into or stay in unnecessary wars isolationist. Others call them anti-interventionalist. Of which, I am one.
You say tomato and I say tomato. Some people call people who do not want to get into or stay in unnecessary wars isolationist. Others call them anti-interventionalist. Of which, I am one.
i strongly opposed the unnecessary Iraq war. It's naive, however, to treat it like a game and just walk away on principle. We overturned their government, ended combat operations, and are now on a peace-keeping mission as they rebuild.
Seems pretty reasonable, from both a U.S. self-interest and an altruistic perspective, once you accept the fact that we already mucked it up in there.
i strongly opposed the unnecessary Iraq war. It's naive, however, to treat it like a game and just walk away on principle. We overturned their government, ended combat operations, and are now on a peace-keeping mission as they rebuild.
Seems pretty reasonable, from both a U.S. self-interest and an altruistic perspective, once you accept the fact that we already mucked it up in there.
The first question you must ask is under what circumstances will it be acceptable for us to leave. IF the answer is when the country can stand on its own with stability of government, then we will be in both countries for at least another 50 years. Most honest experts will tell you that.
We simply cannot afford to stay another 5 years much less 50. It is simply not practical. We may as well fold tents now instead of folding tents 10 years from now after we spend...literally trillions of dollars and receive the same results.
Would you rather China or Russia control the last little bit of mineral wealth on the planet? For us to not have any influence at all in where it goes and for what it's used for?
If you want an isolationist policy then that is exactly what you're moving towards.
The first question you must ask is under what circumstances will it be acceptable for us to leave. IF the answer is when the country can stand on its own with stability of government, then we will be in both countries for at least another 50 years. Most honest experts will tell you that.
We simply cannot afford to stay another 5 years much less 50. It is simply not practical. We may as well fold tents now instead of folding tents 10 years from now after we spend...literally trillions of dollars and receive the same results.
Actually we cannot afford not to.
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Bauxite and Alumina and Aluminum.—In 2008, Russia was the leading individual producer of aluminum in the whole region, with nearly three times as much production as Germany, which was the second ranked producer. Russia and Kazakhstan accounted for the majority of bauxite production in the region, although production was significantly below that of the world’s leading producers
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Copper.—In 2008, Central Eurasia was the region’s main producer of copper ore, and the EU was the leading producer of refined copper. Russia and Kazakhstan, in order of amount produced, accounted for the majority of copper ore production.
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Gold.—In 2008, Europe and Central Eurasia accounted for about 16.6% of world gold production; the majority of gold production in the region came from Central Eurasia. The principal producers, by volume, were Russia, which produced 176,347 kilograms (kg), Uzbekistan (85,000 kg), and Kazakhstan (22,000 kg)
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Iron and Steel.—Europe and Central Eurasia produced about 23.9% of world crude steel output and 18% of pig iron and direct-reduced iron output in 2008. The EU produced about 62% of crude steel in the region, but Russia was the leading individual producer with 68.7 Mt followed by Germany (45.8 Mt), Ukraine (37.1 t), and Italy (30.6 Mt).
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Iron Ore.—Europe and Central Eurasia produced 11.6% of the world’s iron ore in 2008. Central Eurasia was the dominant producer of iron ore in the region. Russia, Ukraine, Sweden, and Kazakhstan were the leading iron ore producers in the region, accounting for a combined production of 126 Mt in 2008.
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Nickel.—Production of the region’s mine output of nickel was almost entirely the result of Russian mining activity, and refined nickel production took place mainly in Russia and Western Europe. Russia accounted for about 26% of nickel mine output and 51% of nickel refinery production in the region in 2008
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Platinum-Group Metals.—Within the region of Europe and Central Eurasia, almost all platinum-group metal (PGM) mining took place in Russia, although small amounts of PGMs were also mined in Finland, Poland, and Serbia.
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Zinc.—Europe and Central Eurasia produced about 12.8% of the world’s mine output of zinc and about 23.8% of world zinc metal output in 2008.
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Coal.—In 2008, Europe and Central Eurasia accounted for 60.1% of lignite production, 10.7% of world bituminous coal production, and 5.6% of world anthracite production.
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Uranium.—In 2008, Central Eurasia accounted for more than 36% of world uranium production. Kazakhstan produced 10,049 t; Russia 4,152 t, and Uzbekistan 2,757 t. Uranium mining took place in several other countries in the region (the Czech Republic, Germany, and Ukraine), but in smaller quantities (table 22).
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