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Originally Posted by Sights_Set
I am not misinformed at all. I have a Bachelors degree in Biology in addition to my BA in education. I have done extensive reading on vaccines including studies (majority are done outside of the US). I understand the mechanism of the immune response which can cause vaccines to be effective a % of the time. But I also understand how dangerous and unnecessary, outside of big pharma cost savings, the preservatives are in vaccines, which by the way are suspected of being one of the culprits in vaccine injuries. My sister was tested TWICE, which is routine they say, for hep B and your telling me the blood test is unreliable and my 5 minute old nephew is to be vaccinated just in case. That is ludicrous! You my dear are very indoctrinated and misinformed.
The people who are of the medical establishment are so innoculated with their own sense of omnipotence that they ridicule, belittle, label, and bully people right into a corner where they are gonna resist.
The medical establishment is so terrified of admitting that they might, just might be mistaken because they have publicly committed to the position that vaccines are safe and are the only answer to disease control. They know that if they were to admit they may have been wrong that there will be an avalanche of lawsuits to would follow.
Now if the establishment would detach itself from the big pharma umbilical cord, start doing large scale honest studies of risk factors, take the preservatives out of the vaccines, and show the non-medical community some respect people would feel like they could make a truly informed health decision based on real data.
For those of you who are not blindly accepting of vaccine dogma, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny is one of the few doctors who will tell the truth about current vaccine safety. She is respected well enough to testify in congress as an expert on the matter.
Not likely to happen as long as big pHARMa gets to continue donating large sums of money to the medical establishment for the privilege of being allowed to pressure them to lie to patients regarding the efficacy of their brand-spanking-new, often unsafe, inadequately tested drugs, instead of prescribing older and thus (patent expired) cheaper drugs, which are proven safe and effective.
One such example from the article, tells about a child whose parents refused to vaccinate him in 2008, then took him to Europe where he contracted the measles. When they got back to the U.S., 839 people were exposed, causing 49 children who were too young to have been vaccinated to have to be both vaccinated and quarantined, one of whom had to be hospitalized.
The article goes on to put figures to this situation:
"[The] average family cost [was] $775 per child. The total cost of the outbreak was $124,517, about $11,000 per case and substantially more for the hospitalized child. That was just in the money the county and state spent to clean the mess up, and doesn't take into the account the costs to private insurers."
So, should parents who refuse to vaccinate their children be considered a potential health danger to the public, and be forced to either pay significantly higher premiums to cover their childrens' health care; be forced to refund the government, families and insurers their costs when their unvaccinated child causes a public outbreak or quarantine; or should it be a protected right for parents not to vaccinate their children, with no consequences should others suffer medically because of their (in)actions?
The only diseases I can think of is smallpox and polio, that a parent would be irresponsible for not vaccinating their children against. Everyone of my siblings had the measles, mumps and chickenpox, and none of us were taken to the hospital.
What about parents who take their kids to the doctor for colds and flu and bumps, bruises etc? I'm sure they cost the medical system millions a year.
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The only diseases I can think of is smallpox and polio, that a parent would be irresponsible for not vaccinating their children against. Everyone of my siblings had the measles, mumps and chickenpox, and none of us were taken to the hospital.
What about parents who take their kids to the doctor for colds and flu and bumps, bruises etc? I'm sure they cost the medical system millions a year.
Not likely to happen as long as big pHARMa gets to continue donating large sums of money to the medical establishment for the privilege of being allowed to pressure them to lie to patients regarding the efficacy of their brand-spanking-new, often unsafe, inadequately tested drugs, instead of prescribing older and thus (patent expired) cheaper drugs, which are proven safe and effective.
This still has nothing to do with vaccines.
People aren't vaccinating their children to cure toenail fungus or get better erections. They are vaccinating their babies because if they don't the babies will get sick. Mealses, mumps, rubella, tetanus, whooping cough, polio, hib -- they're not going to go away just because the anti-vaxxers wave their silly homeopathy and breastfeed until the baby attends high school.
You are confusing issues that literally have nothing do with each other. Go research this subject a lot more before posting about it. Thank you.
And yeah, stayinformed40 and backspace, I'm just a dumb nurse with about 40 years experience in immunizations, including time in a county health department as an immunization specialist. Go ahead and shoot the messenger.
Nobody said anything like that so stop trying to over exaggerate the statements that people have made. I work daily with nursing staffs and you always find a couple nurses with your kind of experience level who never fail to second guess doctors or feel that 40 years as a nurse qualifies you to do more than you were trained and educated to do. I respect the fact that you have a lot of hands on experience but you're not a doctor and you shouldn't be making statements that only a doctor can make.
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This still has nothing to do with vaccines.
People aren't vaccinating their children to cure toenail fungus or get better erections. They are vaccinating their babies because if they don't the babies will get sick. Mealses, mumps, rubella, tetanus, whooping cough, polio, hib -- they're not going to go away just because the anti-vaxxers wave their silly homeopathy and breastfeed until the baby attends high school.
You are confusing issues that literally have nothing do with each other. Go research this subject a lot more before posting about it. Thank you.
A doctor who never works with immunizaitons does not know more about them than a nurse who works with them daily. Sorry you don't want to believe that.
That's not true and you know it, you may have 40 years of nursing under your belt but there are still situations where even that 34 year old resident doctor's training trumps yours.
The only diseases I can think of is smallpox and polio, that a parent would be irresponsible for not vaccinating their children against. Everyone of my siblings had the measles, mumps and chickenpox, and none of us were taken to the hospital.
What about parents who take their kids to the doctor for colds and flu and bumps, bruises etc? I'm sure they cost the medical system millions a year.
Just because something did not happen to you personally does not mean it doesn't happen. One in five children who get measles are hospitalized for it even today in first world nations. Mumps complications include swelling testicles and hearing loss. Chickenpox can cause all kinds of problems even in healthy children.
Please research the vaccine schedule. Explain to us why parents shouldn't vaccinate against hib, whooping cough, diphtheria, hep b.
FYI, vaccination against smallpox would be stupid right now as the disease only exists in a single site in the world. The vaccine is very dangerous with the potential for many horrifying complications in patients. People have not been vaccinated against smallpox for over two decades. Why? Because the vaccine eliminated the disease. If the anti-vax nuts would stop campaigning against public health we might even be able to accomplish that with some other diseases as well.
Nobody said anything like that so stop trying to over exaggerate the statements that people have made. I work daily with nursing staffs and you always find a couple nurses with your kind of experience level who never fail to second guess doctors or feel that 40 years as a nurse qualifies you to do more than you were trained and educated to do. I respect the fact that you have a lot of hands on experience but you're not a doctor and you shouldn't be making statements that only a doctor can make.
Such as the CDC and FDA have stated there is no increase in seizures from Flu Mist? I didn't just make that up, I quoted them.
Aahh - the sweet sounds of nurse-bashing in the morning! How cute and provincial to pick on nurses. One thing's for sure, bashing nurses illuminates the intelligence and education of the basher, they obviously have no idea what nurses do in 2011, or their educational requirements. Funny how all nurse-bashers have friends who are neurosurgeons, astronauts, and movie stars.
Here's a question for the nurse-bashers in the house; who do you think runs immunization clinics around the world? Anyone? Yes, of course it's nurses. I can absolutely guarantee that any nurse who works in pediatrics or public health knows more about immunizations than a neurosurgeon or any other specialist who does not work with them on a daily basis. What is very sad is this goes to the point made multiple times in this thread. Find an appropriate source, and educate yourself, whether that source be a credible website, your pediatrician, or a pediatric nurse with over 40 years experience on a forum. If you choose to get your advice from Jenny McCarthy, a snake-oil salesman or a medical specialist with no knowledge of infectious diseases or immunizations specifically, you are an idiot.
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